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EP 57: Night Bites, Secret Squirrels, & Tackle Truths with Stefanos (Sport Fishing Outlet)
The best fishing conversations start with a simple truth: the right presentation beats the biggest hype. We sit down with Stefanos, the mind behind Sport Fishing Outlet, to unpack what actually works—from cold-river walleye to night-striper missions and land-based fluke that rival boat limits. If you’ve ever wondered why your wrist is moving but your lure isn’t, or how a tiny weight dot can turn a floater into a suspender that hangs in the strike zone, you’re in the right place.
We start with why night fishing wins more than just solitude. Stripers, fluke, and bass eat differently after dark, and the tactics change with them: listen for topwater slurps, lean into slower swings, and trust subtle taps on the drop. Then we map winter walleye in real detail—identifying river “winter holes” below riffles and dam systems, reading current seams, and watching line in the cold. Stefanos explains how to tune jerkbaits to truly suspend, when to swap to paddletails or flukes, and why the lightest jig you can control often outfishes a brick every time.
Gear myths get a friendly shake. Rod action matters more than logo: fast tips to snap jigs, moderate bends for cranks and bait. Kayak anglers learn why 7’3” to 7’6” rods save battles at the bow. We cover versatile inshore setups that handle stripers, tog, fluke, and river crossovers without a dozen combos. And yes, color counts—sometimes—but action and profile usually win. The lesson repeats across stories: plan with maps and tides, log your results, and fish lighter and slower than you think.
We wrap with the heartbeat of a great local shop: conversations that turn curiosity into confidence. SFO’s shelves reflect what anglers actually catch on, not what ads suggest. You’ll hear about their new site, a listener discount, and how to connect at the Philadelphia Fishing Show. If you’re ready to fish smarter this season—night or day, river or surf—press play, take notes, and share the tactic you’re trying first.
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Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Hello and welcome back to the Fat Dad Fishing Show. My name is Rich Natoli, your regular host, and tonight we're gonna have Stefan. Stefanos from Sport Fishing Outlet. And uh if you don't know Steph, look, you're missing out. This is one of those, and I'm gonna say this without any exaggeration, not just because he's coming on. He is one of the very few shop owners that knows what the hell he's talking about, no matter what topic you have. I mean, he's like throwing names of lures around. I spend half the time nodding, like pretending I've heard of him. He knows the lures, he knows the fish, he knows the species of freshwater, saltwater. He's he's both. He's both. And he'll get you on the fish, too. I mean, he's one of those guys. Uh, it is the shop that I go to when I need tackle. Uh, and look, whether it's saltwater or freshwater, this is gonna be a good episode for you. If you don't know him already, uh, get to know him tonight and you're probably gonna end up going to a shop. Uh, with that said, before we jump on with Stefanos, we're gonna go through the uh the sponsors here real quick. First one is Great Bay Outfitters, the premier, primary, original sponsor of this show, Paul at Great Bay. If you're looking for anything kayak related, whether it's a new kayak, even a used kayak, Paul and Great Bay Outfitters is where you want to go. It's Radio Road in Tuckerton, New Jersey. And uh it's a place where you can actually get on the water and test out the kayaks before you buy them. So, brand new, you can get Old Town, you can get the Crescent, the new Crescent, and the Crescent Skiff. Uh, you can you can get consignment uh kayaks so you can pick up an occasional Hobie there, a wilderness, any different kind of kayak. So check them out. That's where I go. I spend way too much money there. I have way too many things that I don't need just because I try to stop by there every time I'm in the area. So Great Day Outfitters, Radio Road in Tuckerton. Next one is Quad State Tune with Kevin Driscoll. The number is 484-633-5975. If you have a Toyota truck, so we're talking the Tacoma, the Tundra, a 4-Runner, a Lexus 460 or 470, he sells the engine tunes that are going to get those engines with the improved throttle response, more horsepower, smoother shifting, and better torque. So if you're tow, especially if you're towing anything and you have a Toyota, give a call to Kevin and see if it's something that you would benefit from. If you won't benefit from it, Kevin's just gonna say, yeah, you don't need it. But if you would, he's gonna talk through exactly what it'll do for you. And then the last one is me for real estate in southeastern Pennsylvania. I do specialize in residential. I am working out of the Bluebell office for Weikert Cornerstone Realtors or Weikert Realtors Cornerstone in the Bluebell office. Also work out of Collegville. We have locations all over the place. So if you're looking for anything, give me a call, 267-270-1145. And with that, I'm gonna bring on Stefanos and so you can see him, and I'm gonna do a little bit more of an intro. Stefanos, good to see you, man.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:What's going on? Thanks for having me on.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, thanks for thanks for coming on. It's been a while that we've been talking about this.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Yeah, very good.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:There was a baby that was taking all of your time and energy way back when we first talked about it. You are running a shop.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:And now there's another one coming. And now we're getting it in before.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, we gotta take advantage. Yeah, we gotta take advantage of the time that we have. So look, everybody, if you're new to the show, one of the things that I always say is I want you to look at your local shops above and beyond all else. So on my YouTube channel, I do have some videos that have links to Amazon so that you can buy what I'm talking about. I'm telling you right now, this episode, any episode, if you ever hear something, check your local shop first. And I'll tell you right now, you want to talk to Stefanos for most of the tackle because he does stock in Pennsylvania, but you stock the full complement of fresh and salt water all the way down from surf gear to I think I've seen some tuna rods in there.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Absolutely. Yeah, everything from trout to tuna.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Trout to tuna.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:It's all double tease.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, and Scotty wanted to be on, but he's sick. He's he's really sick. Yeah, he said he might be in the chat. I doubt that he's gonna make it on at all because he's like really sick. But yeah, he was excited about, you know, and this is a guy that he he guides salt water in New Jersey, but he he likes going to your shop. And when I when I was talking about you, God, this summer, he was going crazy. He's like, You gotta have him on, you gotta have him on. I was like, Yeah, it's not that easy to coordinate sometimes.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:So yeah, no, no, he's awesome, he's awesome.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So he's disappointed he's not here. But uh yeah, so why don't we start off this way? Why don't you tell us a little bit about the shop and then we'll just start talking any type of fishing and anyone in the chat, if they have any questions, any topics, no matter what it is, I'll just start putting them in the chat and I'll do my best to pull some of those out.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Yeah, absolutely. So basically, the this the store itself, I I took over the shop a couple years ago from an old gentleman named Harry. When I first got the shop, it was like it was just like a whole different experience. So from fishermen and die hard, you know, however, we think we're pretty die hard, you meet enough people in a fishing store there where you it's a humbling experience, but you are kind of tossed in, you're learning a lot. So for me, my background was you know a a little different. Let's say, you know, just the start of fishing for me is was just a little different than what you know what's what we're seeing nowadays. Like kids are coming in and it's the the advancements in fishing and keeping up with fishing, salt to fresh. It's it's a little tough in a small store, but you know, our our customers definitely make it, you know, a lot of these things were recommended. You know, hey, I I you know, I wish you you had this spade in this color, you know, and it kind of the store gets built through its customers. So that was probably the most important thing for me and and getting started here. You know, naturally I just love helping people, talking fishing, you know, so that's fun. You know, that's the fun side of things.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, I remember the store before you owned it, and it to me was more like a standard shop, right? You go in and they had what they had and you know wanted to sell you what they had. And I remember right when you first opened, I went in and we had a conversation. And I said, you know, this is the kind of stuff I'm looking for. And we had a we had a conversation. Next thing I know, you're carrying the stuff. You know, like I think we've got some in in stock, but you went and you bought new and you didn't pull it out of inventory, and you had this, you had this salt water stuff that you look, let's be honest, you can't find good saltwater stuff in Pennsylvania. You you see like one little shelf with like six things on it, right?
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Yeah, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:And it's that is not yeah, and that is not what what you find at sport fishing. SFO is like stocked, stocked. So I will say that that won me over right there, just the first conversation. I was like, he'll never have it. But I swung in anyway, and now I just waste so much freaking time in your shop.
Speaker 2:A lot of people do, a lot of people do. It's fun. There's there's there's Scotty, he's in the Yeah, Scotty's in.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, uh, he's he's unable to talk, but uh he's able to chat, yeah. Yeah, so so the shop, do you want to where is it? Let everyone know what's going on.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, we we went we went fast forward there. So we're uh in East Norton, so Plymouth Meeting Mall, we're on Germantown Pike, so it'll come up Norristown or East Norton, but sport fishing outlet. We just updated, we've had some social stuff for a while. It's SFO Tackle. Our website is live, brand, brand new. So we're you know, fully shoppable. We're working some kinks out, but we actually I I was telling Rich right before we got on, but we made a code just for this live, basically. So it's fatdad15. So it's SFOTackle.com. You can use that code, fatdad15, and it'll be a code, you know, just to kind of share for all you guys. So we appreciate it's 15% off, basically. Take your pick in the shop. So I can't say I'll get in trouble if I say certain brand names. So we'll keep it at that. But yeah, we're we're we're in a weird area, you know. We're we have streams and creeks, you know, we're Pennsylvania, but I would say the majority of people that come in are taken back by the salt. They're like, this doesn't make much sense, you know. The the people who know us, they come in, they they realize that we we enjoy fishing. So a lot of people who are in Jersey, a lot of us live here. You know, there's a lot of PA, you know, a lot of PA people who travel, who, you know, I drive two hours to catch a tide, and I come home, and people think I'm a psycho, but I'm sure I'm not alone. You know, there's a lot of so we drive, you know, Pennsylvanians don't mind. The closest lake, you know, I have a bass boat. The closest lake to my shop is is a good hour. So drive an hour here, an hour. It everything takes an hour from us, so it seems a little far, but you kind of get used to it. You know, so the store is, I would say, uh a lot of jigging, bottom fishing, fluke stuff. We we we like to target fluke. So from the boat, from land, striper, same deal. From the boat, from land. That would be, I would say, our specialty in the salt. We do dabble with with some of you know, some tuna stuff, some popping and jigging and all that things, but I'm not that's not my that's not my forte. So I'm more of an insure guy myself, but like I said, this place is grown on information from guys who are very good at what they do, who don't have YouTube channels or anything. They're kind of like we were talking, you got the secret squirrels of the fishing. I got a ton of those guys that come shop and and we sit and do this, you know. Probably I would say three nights a week. I was telling Rich if the door slams, that means there's somebody stopping in here to to do our, they see my truck and they want to talk fishing. So it never ends. But um, yeah, it's a mix, you know. But the specialty I would say is is the fluke, the striper, and our largemouth, smallmouth, our smallmouth fishery in PA is unbelievable. So I would say the target if somebody were to come in and you know, a lot of this stuff is geared more towards lar, you know, smallmouth, largemouth. But we like to try to get ahead of some stuff. So the glide baits and a lot of different things like it. We we've been in that game for a while. Now it's cats out of the bag. I've been working on a nice glider for you, Scotty, uh, full through wire, just for the tuna. So get ready.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Come and yeah, it's funny. We we were talking today, so I I was in the shop today, and and for everyone, just so you know, we were talking glide baits for quite a long time and how all of a sudden they became popular, but they've always worked, and it's just amazing. But you you were talking about like the secret squirrel people that they don't say things very loud, but they they know what's going on.
Speaker 2:So those are the guys, those are the guys, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:But you're one of them, and that's the thing. Like, you're not out there broadcasting everything, but I, you know, I I consider like I talk a lot about the importance of pre-planning your trips and knowing what you're going to do. So you have your plan. And actually, we talked about this today for a little bit. You know, you you're also a big believer in having a plan and checking out the maps and the contours and all that stuff. But you're one of the ones that I go to. When I'm not sure what I'm going to do, I'll swing by the shop and I'll buy some stuff I don't need, just and hoping that you're hoping you're in the shop. But actually, the guys in the shop are the same way. Like they know what's going on. Even the even the the guys in the summer, the kids Oh yeah. I mean, those are kids are dialed.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:We do we the the kids are like sponges. You get a young kid who's passionate about fishing that cares to learn, that works for you. If you can find it, if there are any other people out there, those are the it's hard to find. So I got lucky with the two youngsters that worked for me. So but yeah, you gotta, I mean, you gotta be dialed in. Yeah, you could buy every item in this store, every item from somewhere. I tell I tell customers all the time, I really appreciate you came and shopped with me because you could buy it anywhere. It's very hard to be competitive in my world. So this is a world where you have to provide the service, you gotta, you gotta spend an extra five minutes talking to somebody, but typically it leads to a lot more conversations in the future, and if they come back and tell you I just busted my PB, that's what it's all about. So, you know, it's that's really it's it's it's tough to stay competitive in our industry.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:It's it's a brutal industry if the the fishing world, as we see, companies get swallowed by companies, a guy's making something really good, then the next guy makes something similar to that, and then it never ends. It's a very competitive market. So for us, I try to sell the stuff that we we know we've used. You know, if you can't, you know, you you've showed me stuff before and I'm like, okay, let's bring it in, you know. We have confidence in it, but the staff and myself, I feel like we we put, you know, we try to get that in for, you know, some people are very brand sensitive and fishy.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:You know, we try to, hey, this is, you know, we've done very well. I understand, you know, but that's some people can't be, you know, we I don't try to sell people. I try to just provide what's, you know, what are you gonna need to to do what you're doing, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right. I'm just I remember we we went, we went, I came in last spring, and I was like, look, I I I gotta do some fresh water because I'm pretty much off the water for salt. And I was like, I'm gonna go for smollies, and I had all these things in my hands, and you you kind of give me this look, and you're like, okay, let's put that back and let's come over here again. You're like, you're fishing now, and I was like, Yeah, and you're like, okay, well, you don't need that. Yeah, and you were like setting me up with it. And then when I came back later in the summer, I forget his name, one of the younger guys. He's and I said, Yeah, I'd really like to just try to target snake heads, but somewhere really local. I I don't have the energy to get like into the weeds anywhere. And he's like, Okay. Yeah, he put your hand on it. Yeah, and I saw them. I wasn't able to get a bite, but I saw them. Yeah. And then I'm getting reports from people, I think I saw this. I'm like, you did. You did. I've seen it the last two weeks. I've been trying to get it to bite. Yeah, yeah. And but that's that's the the shops apart because you know, there there are shops that I used to go to in South Jersey that are now closed. And the ones that lasted the longest had that going. And it's when they stopped with the with the interactions and the relationships with the clients or the customers, is where they started to go downhill. Some of them were it was as it was as sad as the owner passed away.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Yeah. And then nobody could follow the path, you know, it's it's it's tough, you know, it's a tough thing because, like I said, it's it's gets brutal because it is very competitive. You know, these guys can, you know, these big companies don't mind putting stuff on, you know, 40% off, and everybody gets excited, which is exciting. I'm also a shopper before the store owner, so it excites me. But that's how a lot of these shops can't hang. It's you know, you end up, you know, they're competing with us, we're buying from them. They kind of go around the re you know, we're the small guy in the picture, so for us, you we need to do to set apart. You know, the setting apart is us talking to the customer for another couple minutes. And for us, it is a little unique. You got a guy that comes in who is very open to, you know, he's brand new, he wants to learn. Then there's a guy that I might see 12 times before he says, I can't catch this bass, it's in this pond.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:And I'm like, I've seen you 10 times. What have you been waiting for?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Why don't you say something?
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I asked you, do you need anything? You know, people are very, you know, I I did some like, you know, in school we we did some like psychology stuff, and it was how men shop and how women shop. And it was like a thing. And I I do notice a woman walked in today, she looked at me, I looked at her, she said, I need a bag. I said, Here's a bag. She said, I need a book bag. I said, There it is. She said, Okay, is this the only one? I said, Here's another. She goes, Thank you so much. She knew exactly what she needed. She didn't waste, you know, she was quick, she needed something. Men, you know, they come in, they're not shy to ask, like, hey, I can't find this. Show me where it is. You know, yeah. Some men, it takes some time to get through. They don't want to just say, hey, dude, I might have walked by this item, but can you point me there?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So I'm one of those.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I'll I'll look around for ask.
Speaker 2:Where is this thing?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:You know, you may as well. I mean, it saves time, it saves energy.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:And you some people like rail, so I don't overdo it. I never want to. Some people like to look at every item. I have a lot of those shoppers. I don't call them window shoppers because fishermen shop differently. A lot of guys come in just to come in to hang. So it's different from another place, like you know, people come in differently.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:That's how I do it. I I'll go in and I'll walk around the shop. And my wife always says, How long are you going to be gone? I'm like, Well, I'm going to sport fishing outlet. She's like, All right, I'll see you tomorrow. And she's like, Are you buying anything? I'm like, not today.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So I'll go, I'll go like three or four times.
Speaker 2:There's no pressure. There's no pressure.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:But then when I when I but uh through those three or four times and those conversations, I'll come back and I'll buy $200 worth of stuff on the next one, right? That can happen quick. Yeah, I mean, but I I I plan it, so I know I plan it over time, so I know what I'm getting. So okay. People need to check out your website. There is that 15% off. We are getting some questions in there that I'm gonna want to get.
Speaker 2:We've got some good stuff here.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, and and we're gonna bounce back and forth. Whether, look, guys, if you have freshwater or salt water, go ahead and and throw them in there. I will say for those that are new to this, I fish freshwater. And I will, and there are certain things that I'm really good at, but I will never take the same quote unquote authoritative stance on any freshwater. That I do with some salt water. So I don't consider it to be like my expertise.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:So I'm going to be like there's no fish close to that.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:No. I I am if you were if if you were to put it on a scale of you know one to a million, and I said 500 on a fluke, right? And I'm I'm 480 on striped bass and whatever on TOG, and you say, all right, what about what about trout? I'd say one. Even though I'm pretty good at trout.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Fluke is it. Fluke is the dominator.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, it's just I feel like I have some expertise there. So I'm not I won't be chiming in as much. Like walleye. I used to fish walleye all the time. In winter walleye. All the time. But that was back when I was in college. Like, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna present my techniques on catching winter walleye because I haven't done it in like the best. It is. I love walleye fishing. They're tough, but once you figure them out.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:My brother called me two weeks ago. He said, You have the heater buddy. I said, Yeah, I got the heater buddy. He said, All right, I'm just gonna make sure you're ready. This is the this is like there's not much to do right now. So if you're not, you know, if you can't sit still, there's fishermen who are like, this is bad. They talk about what is that? What's that when you start getting depressed, seasonal depression? Is that what you call it?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Seasonal, what is it, affective disorder or whatever. Yeah, yeah.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Like it's getting dark out, so people start to get well. I think there's a fishing one. I'm not sure what it's gonna be called, but we can come up with a name during the show. But they get people start getting really antsy. There's nothing to do. There's they come in, they're like, man, I want to go, but my lot uh every you know, walleye, you can catch crappie, you could catch. They they eat like they eat, you know, on a they're not in winter, you know, like are in winter mode. So you could catch striper, I mean, 365 days of the year if you wanted to, you know, back bays and and the rivers. People don't really like to. I mean, there's striper guys in the river who target the spawning striper, and there's striper guys who fish the river and target the striper.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Two different types of guys here, because there's the river guys who were targeting those fish in a specific time who were moving to migrate to spawn. But I have buddies who fish the school all year, send me pictures of. I have a buddy who we post this stuff, his name's Billy, but he he's told me he's he's uh you guys have seen him on party boats probably. We post this picture all the time. He's a big fluke fisherman, tog, yeah, saltwater guy, but he lives near the school. He said, if I could fish anywhere for like for forever, I'm fishing in a school. And I was like, You're kidding me? He's like, Steph, I mean, I caught a drum, I've caught snakehead, I've caught striper, I've caught smallmouth, I've caught walleye, I've caught catfish on the same lure.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Like you, there's not many places you can do that. You know what I mean? There's not you can go to lakes and do it, but it's tough. There's no current, you can't position the fish, you can't position your lure, like you can, you know, that's something we could get into. I feel like a lot of people, the river should be helpful to people.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Presenting right, right. Well, let's talk about that in a second. Let's let's hit though right now. Let's let's talk while I in December. What are your tactics? What do you bring in? What are you doing? So like where where are you looking for them, first of all?
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I'm looking for so Schuyl and Delaware are just the two local to us. So you could pick any river system, I would say. So winter winter holes, I just call them winter holes. Obviously, people have names for them, but I'm looking for fast-moving water where fish typically like to come up to spawn. So where a fish would come to spawn, so you have a dam, some kind of dam system. So they come up to spawn. Those fish are getting ready for that time of year. So they start to winter in the slow, slower, deeper pools underneath that stuff.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yep.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:So if you can find the riffle in the Delaware where it's a riffle and you could see for 200 yards, it's a slower pool. Even if it's six feet of water, you could catch this walleye. Right now, it if it's until it freezes, until you can't fish anymore, you could catch walleye. The leave a jerkbait, if you like to play the, you know, this the slower presentation, and you want to just kind of where it's freezing. Sometimes you can't sit there and do this nonstop. You kind of have to catch your jerkbait and let it swing in the current and just twitch it and keep it, you know. That's why I like boot fishing in the current. So I've always been a current person, rather. So I think that's why. And the walleye's been, I would say, past four years, five years, I never thought to target them until we figured something out late in the year. And I was like, I don't think these things are gonna stop eating. And then we did it until we couldn't do it anymore. And then it became a pattern. But slower, slower stuff. So jerk baits, something you can kill and let it just wiggle and keep get it in the strike zone. So if you're fishing six, eight foot of water, like a three-foot or four-foot diver, like a regular suspending jerk bait, so like like a husky jerk or a lucky craft pointer or anything that suspends. Also, a lot of people don't want to buy expensive jerk baits. I'm the first person to tell people I sell these little dots. So you could take your floater, and I I have like an 80-year-old fishing mentor. He's like dialed me into tuning things, like crazy amount of tuning. He's taken floaters and made them suspend. So if you have something that's coming up too fast, you can dot it once, fish it, you'll see it go a little slower, and you can actually get it to sit there. So if you really want to get technical, I don't think it's that technical, but sometimes it makes a difference. I'm a paddle-tail grub jig head all day. I think if you put a 2.8 inch to a 4.8, even a 5.8, I'm fishing areas where there's gizzard shad in the water at the same time. So there's huge gizzard shad.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, so you're going a little larger profile.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I can, because you never know. You know, we also are targeting big flathead that are in the same areas. So, and this is similar. This isn't just a school thing. I I fish more or less in the school. And the school, honestly, you know, from the Delaware all the way up to the art museum, all the way up to where I'm at, which is Norristown here in Bridgeport, there's walleye all the way, all the way down to the river. So people think it's a spa thing. I really don't think it's a spa thing because I've had customers send me pictures of walleye in places where I was like, damn, I didn't think that would winter walleye. So that's why I said earlier, I think it doesn't need to be really deep. Because I've been, you know, I, you know, it's like boom, you think you know something until you don't.
Speaker 2:Right.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:That's like most things. You're like, I figured something out until a guy catches him in two feet of water, and you're like, so maybe do they really need the deep water? But the two feet is usually near something. So December, it's cold and you have to fish very slow. So dragging, you know, medium action rod, light braid. Now it's tough. So I fish I fish a super long leader if it's getting icy. Once my braid is freezing, though, I'm not gonna lie, that's why I bring my heater buddy. I think that's what I usually call it. But if you get a good day where you can cast with 10 pound, 15 pound braid to a 15-pound liter, 12-pound liter, I'm not super, I'm not super specky. Because I've, you know, you run out of liter when you're fishing. I tell my buddy, like, yo, cut more, cut off some lines. And I'm putting on his line. So I never got crazy dialed. You know, I know people are, but anything 10 pound to 15 pound, they're toothy. They're not gonna cut your line, though. They're they're you know, they got some fangs, but Kitex, Yamamoto grubs, little grubs. I'm a paddle tail guy, but I've watched guys catch them with, you know, I catch them with zoom flukes.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I was gonna say, what about the zoom?
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Zoom fluke, three inch junior. I I like to sauce my stuff, so I big pro to your guy. Um pro to your sticks and just does not come off plastic. It like stays on for a while.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So the the the zoom flukes are what we used to catch them on in the Schuylkill. It was just the zoom flukes. And and one of the reasons we did it was this was so this was a long time ago. Like I was in college when when we're in high school when we were doing this. One of the reasons that we used the zoom flukes is it was so inexpensive and we'd get snagged all the time. So, you know, you need enough weight with these rods that we had to get it far enough out there, but we didn't want them hanging on these rocks as we're fishing along these currents. So we'd have the zoom flukes on there with the because and they were bigger, so we had more of the weight on the plastic. Yes. And we used to catch, we used to catch some nice walla. I mean, yes, I remember the first one, we had no idea what it was. Like we we weren't we weren't good at fishing, like we we didn't know anything but smallmouth at that time, and we started catching these things. We're like, we didn't know what they were. We had to go home and look at the fish identification book because the internet wasn't awesome.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:The internet wasn't a thing, it didn't exist. So you you said it perfect. The light head with the big body. Yeah, I am a humongous fan. We've gotten jig heads made in here, custom for like sluggo fishing on a jetty. But I I I really feel most people this is they they I don't think there should be as much of a salt fresh divide. Like the the tactics are so so close. I was never dialed into fresh until this shop, and it was different because I did a lot of salt and I've spear fished and I've done all types of stuff, do weird stuff in the ocean. But the fresh with the boat and the technology and learning how these fish are you know moving in a lake system or something, I think it's it's it's uh so dialed in, but they're so similar. The only thing that's different is that big tide, but that bait, like a zoom fluke, the light, the light head with the big body, it falls different, it acts different. And in when you do touch and you lift, you can and it'll it'll hit and move. Yeah, I think that's what I take people to the river and I'm like trying to teach them how to fish an editor, and it's as similar as basically flicking a s a fluke. Yeah, but he's like looking too hard, he's trying to feel 16th ounces, 15th ounce, a 20th. And I'm like, dude, stop looking, stop trying to feel something. You need to just stare at your line. That's why we use colorful braid. So there is you know, line watch, and when you know, the currents kind of move in your braid, and when you see that that little notch go like this, you can kind of lift the rod, and it's it's not going bump, bump. And we do the same thing for fluke, so we use the same technique. It's like I I'm doing the same thing in first day opening flounder in any back bay in New Jersey, anywhere where there's a current, and I know there's a little deep water near it. Working something light and allowing it to move when you when you lift it off the bottom. I think a lot of people fish way too heavy. And this is like a very common, you know. So I I've had guys laugh at me when I tell them to grab a quarter ounce jig. And I'm like, a quarter. I don't I didn't tell them I fished a 16th because I didn't want to freak them out. So I skip the 16th when they go, What do you like to do? I said, quarter. And they go, Oh, really that light? And I'm like, buddy, I'm fishing a 16th sometimes because I want it to just float like perfectly calm down, and then you're watching your braid just go boom, and the fish is a lot of guys don't even have the opportunity, which is why even tog and stuff like that and sheep said, you know, bottom sweeper and all these guys, like that's why the lighter the better. When you talk to a lot of these guys, they say if I could fish a half ounce jig in this spot, I would smash him, but I've got the currents picked up and I just can't do it now. But if you can, you know, you it's it's a it's a different technique, but I I think for all species I am on board light as light as you can possibly cast to feel comfortable that you're not that you don't not feel, because a lot of people just can't feel you know what say me or you were feeling. So I also have noticed that. I've been like, you didn't see the line, and sometimes they're not looking, sometimes they're disinterested in looking. So that guy might need to fish a whopper plopper. So now I just redirect the guy to maybe you're not a neg a net rig guy. Let's get you casting and reeling a whopper plopper on the scook, or or for walleye casting a swim bait, and instead of them playing with the bottom, I'll tell that customer hit the bottom, crank it up once, and then just go slow so he can keep himself off of you know, off of the bottom. The guy that's hitting the rocks and getting snagged is catching more fish.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Walleye. We're talking straight walleye.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right, right.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:That guy's catching more fish in the this time of year, I would say.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:At least for yeah, it's kind of it's kind of similar. You know, people are saying if you're if you're not getting snagged, you're not togging. Right. I mean, you gotta be in that, you gotta be in that zone where you're gonna be hanging up a little bit.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:But yeah, and you know, this is the slope. That's where the time on the water matters. If you can hit them, if you get one bite and it's on the drop, you don't you can now assume you don't need to play the bottom game tonight. It's literally like that. Like you could just assume that one bite I caught my first walleye in December or January or February, best time, February. You catch one on the fall, you can start reeling your paddle tail. It's like just like that. I I I and it's not me. This is like I've met a guy that says, dude, you need to stop thinking and let the fish just realize what was different about the bite and let the fish tell you. And it for a walleye, it's just like that, or for a striper, when you get that thump in a certain that certain drift where you're next to a bridge and you're you put a half ounce on and it's that perfect sweep, and you're getting thumped, and then you put on a heavier one, and you miss that. That's it's the same. So for me, if they're not eating here, they're they're always on the bottom. So I like to play on the bottom.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:With the walleye, I start there, and I really won't go off of that unless I get smashed on the way down, and I'm like, there's something that's going on. They might be looking up right now, they might be feeding on something. So there's a lot of variants. The moon does freak out walleye too. So you get, I mean, I've had great nights with like pitch darkness. So I've personally I know people who crust fish on a full moon. Yeah, I am not a crustfish on a full moon guy, and I'll admit it. Like, I I'm not the guy. I was out on a super moon. No, that never worked for me. No, I it's just I don't know what it is.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So, you know, I don't know if you've had good moon days or you know, so look, salt water, I I like the I like the new and the full moons, not for the light, but for the tidal flow. But one of the things that people have to keep in mind for saltwater is it's the tidal flow. So those moons bring more flow, which means your great spot is probably, or not probably, but there's a decent chance that the spot that you picked because it always does well on the outgoing, could be blown out because of the extra tidal flow. You know, you get an extra foot of water traveling out there. So you got to move to the edges of that spot now or find something that has a little less flow, a little bit of a current break.
Speaker 2:That makes sense.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:But I but I I do believe in the whole salooner thing.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I mean, oh it's for oh it's real thing. Oh no, I yeah, I'm not disregarding it's real, it's super real. I mean, hunters will tell like deer act, everything is different. You know, we act different during full moons. So I know there's something going on. Personally, I haven't I haven't figured out like for for for bass specifically, I haven't figured out it hasn't I've never hit it the right way, but I've done really well nighttime fishing when it is pure darkness.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So let's let's talk about nighttime. Because I I mentioned nighttime to me, again, mostly salt water. That's that is the time that I like to fish the most. Fresh water as well. I actually do better fishing at night, regardless. What's your thought on that? Is do you think that holds true?
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I I'm uh I I think you could catch them. I think whatever time is your window to fish, you could catch fish. That I know that's a broad thing, but whatever gets you, whatever gets you like if you have a family and people are like, oh man, I don't have time, we could sit down and I can carve out 30-minute window. You could stop at the creek and get your fix. Bend the rod. You know, some people, that's a we also talk about this. This, this, not this place, but fishing. Fishing is a lot more than we are super passionate and we're we get into it and we're competitive sometimes. But I've had guys tell me like this fishing is like save them. This is very therapeutic for people. So some people need, they overthink and they're like, I can't just stop and fish because I don't have the time. But you know, I'm a nighttime guy because my schedule is just it worked out that way. And I also love, I love, yeah, that you know everybody says you're never there. I'm a nighttime guy. I go for nighttime. Yeah, so the I'm a nighttime fisherman in general. I I've always liked to target striper at night. I've caught some really big fluke at night. My brother's caught some tons of tons of big fish at nighttime. So I like the I like night also because it's just less busy.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:So I mean, the the the freshwater, I would say there's a time to large to largemouth and smallmouth fish at night. I would say salt water primarily. I will very rarely, you will never see me fishing unless somebody invites me on this boat during the day. I'm almost never striper fishing a day. Maybe once or twice during the fall, but I just would rather go out and do it at night.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Pick out my fish. Doesn't need I don't need to be on a blitz. You know, everybody should experience one of them. Blitz is on the beach. So I I've been blessed enough to walk on the beach and it rained hellfire with birds down, and you're like, oh my god, this is what fall fishing is about. But everybody should experience it. But I just my piece is at nighttime. So yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So here's a here's a comment that kind of goes up on that.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:My my wife's on here. I want to thank my wife because she's the best. And I could never fish. I can never fish so much if I didn't have a great wife.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, well, yeah, me too. My wife actually tells me it's about time to just get on the water.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Shout out. Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Where are you going? Are you going to be late? I said, honey, it's 10 p.m. I'm leaving now. What do you mean, late? Am I going to be late? It is late.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:So yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I always used to get the, you know, I I go to I go to work and then I'd bring the kayak and I'd just go down afterwards. And, you know, I'm hitting the water at 11 at night, you know, solo in a kayak. And she's like, all right, I'll see you tomorrow, I guess.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:It's a pe it's a peace thing. It's hard to understand, but it is a peace thing. You're it's a hard, it's hard to think about much else when you're on the beach or you're on a lake and it's like just nothing, you know. By the way, anybody who fishes for largemouth and you just want to and you've never tried to go at nighttime to a body of water, a pond, a lake, the river, you're gonna end up catching a smally rather than a largemouth, let's say most rivers around here. But if you haven't tried throwing a wake bait or a topwater, a prop bait, you take your pick, name your flavor. There's so many different ways. But if you go and just throw something and you just kind of dip out, close your eyes a little bit and listen to the sound and hear the smash that's gonna happen, you will be completely hooked to topwater fishing at nighttime.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Uh it's a lot of people think like it's topwater is not a nighttime thing, but it's actually hold on. We gotta this is this has never happened. I actually need to pull myself off camera for like two minutes. I have I lost power in an outlet, and now my laptop is about dead.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:You're losing power. I'm gonna keep them working. Can I keep this thing on, or we're we're not allowed to prohibit?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:You stay right where you are. I will be right back.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I'll engage some of these people here. I got some comments here.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, go ahead. I'm just gonna pull myself off. I will be right back. He's coming back. It's your show, man. Start selling.
Speaker 2:No, dude, I don't got enough products. Let me get some stuff. Guys, I got to check it out. There you go. It's 1200 bucks. I checked it out today. I'll be right back.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:There we go. It'll drop your Scotty. Hold on. I do he's gonna like this. He can drop his tuna baits right on the tuna's head. All right, Rich will be back. He'll be back on here. Let's see if we have anything else we need to answer. You're very welcome. Walley. Pink zoom fluke will produce Pink Zoom Fluke should be should be like the goat of goats. Like the goat. So the yeah, it is. I'm with you. So I think if if unfortunately, if I didn't have, you know, lots of customers who want every every color, but then they grab the right colors. It's hard to keep track of all these colors, guys. It very much is. Let's see. Fell in love with night fishing. There we go. T Swift. What else we got going on here? Jason. Jason's on here. Largemouth. Let's talk some largemouth. What do we want to talk about? We want to talk about reservoir fishing.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Oh, he's back. I'm back. I told you to click. Yeah. I got it over here.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Let's see, green spec fluke. Put me on my first ever largemouth. My guy. We got a largemouth guy in here. He's thought he said, What we got never stayed? Bro, like shit.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, I can put it up on the screen.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:You're not straying away from anything. I would say the white has got to be up there. That's why I don't like the classify. There really is no favorite. I'm a profile guy. Nothing's really happened while you were going here, Rich. Let me fill you in. Nothing much. We're just talking. We're talking flukes.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Well, that's good.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I said I said pink zoom needs to be the goat, and then we got a white goat, but there is no, it's a it should be the zoom, the zoom profile is the goat.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, and you know it's interesting. You we had the a little bit of this conversation in the shop before about you know, you have to use this, you know, the no live bait needed is the way to go, and it has to be this color. Really, when it comes down to it, is you just need something with some good action. I personally go white first, right? I also go pink. 100%. But pink zooms are among the cheapest that you can get. And they like I still have some from when my grandfather was alive, and he died, I think, in like 1996. I still have some left over from him, and I still catch on them.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:And they're still just as soft.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:They are. Oh, oh, they're they're perfect. I have I'm down to the last bag. Yeah.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:A lot of these got a lot of plastosols changed, a lot of plastics changed. So I mean, I don't think I really I I feel it's happened once or twice where like a color, the color has like I've been like my mind was just like, how? How how is this working? And this thing, which is so close, isn't working.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:But school bus. That's how I am with school bus.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:So it's wild, you know. Like you could be next to somebody and and I've like handed my buddies' baits and say I wasn't doing good or he was doing better than me. Like, we've you know, I was fishing next to my buddy John. We were where me and you crappie fished that one time. We went out. I took him there, we're fishing these jerk baits. Same thing, same dots. This is my guy. Put the dots, he's smacking them. I said, dude, this is insane. You know, he said, he said, what you want to take this one? I said, John, I'll take that right now and I'll catch one on this cast. And he takes it off. I put it on, on. And he said, You gotta be kidding me. I said, Come on, dude. I'm sitting here, I'm not crazy. He was trying to give me the whole breakdown. He said, Steph, don't don't reel so fast. I said, John, don't give me a lesson right now. Where uh no way, give me that lure. But it's wild, like that happens, it can happen. And like then you start over. That's when fishing starts to get like you're in your own head when you don't need to be, but it happens naturally because how can you not? How can you not think, how's this guy sitting next to me jigging for fluke? I'm watching his hand, I'm watching his, you know, he's just doing this. I'm doing the same thing, I'm not catching him. Yeah, that guy could have 10-pound lighter braid. But I never think it's a like I think it's always something else. I'm always a something else guy. I don't ever, you know, I think there's a lot of variants that happen, but color, I think, is a never-ending, like, we'll have everybody on here, we'll have a different, you know, favorite color. And I think they should. I never try to talk people out of colors. Like, if somebody's like, my my people will tell you, I ask people a lot, what are your what are you what is your confidence? Like, hey, I'm picking out a new surf rod. I say, well, what is your confidence? Like, where would what are you confident in? And they look at me and I'm like, Do you like throwing an SP minnow or are you throwing a bucktail? That's the best question. I think that's the only question. Like, what is what do you what do you love? Like, what's your technique? Like, dude, I can't stand throwing a pencil popper because my shoulder's dead at the end of the day. I don't want to sit and you know, I'm like, okay, well, let's avoid that technique completely, and we can get something where you can sit and you're not working your shoulder. So I'm a big, like, I'm a big proponent in the tool. Like, I cook a lot at home. I the tools matter. Like, if your confidence is in something, you get your tool, like, spend your money. You know, I tell people all the time, like, you don't need to have expensive gear. I a guy like me, just so everybody's aware here, the the margins are the same on a $20 reel than they are on a bigger when it stretches. So for us, it's like we want, I want, I want you in the right stuff. So whatever your confidence is, you can do it with a $40 reel. Yep. Does it feel super awesome when you hold a twin power in your hand and you're jigging for flounder? I will tell you there is no better feeling. But that's like you don't need it. But you know, people I have that debate all the time. Like, I don't need it. I say, well, I don't need I don't need anything then. I don't need a phone. I don't, you know, stick me in an island somewhere, like we were talking about being caveman, you know, throw me in the woods.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:There's a difference, right? Like you may not need it, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have it.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:One way I I whatever your flavor is, basically.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, I I go with the the the less expensive stuff typically. I will also stick with pen reels whenever possible, just because that's that's what I was brought up on. That's what I like. I absolutely love pen. And you know, but that doesn't mean that you know, my stratic that I had for god, over a decade, that was my favorite reel ever. So my stratic.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:That's the case right there. I know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I was looking at that case today.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:That's the one. Yeah, so but we are a little Shimano heavy in here. We have a little little bias.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah. But you also had some nice pens right in front of you on that table on the right.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Yes, there is the fathoms.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I was looking at the fathom today.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I sold two squall right after you left. I had a buddy come in, he needed a saltwater, a saltwater baycaster for fluke. Yeah. So low profile, squall, fast. Yeah, it's awesome.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I that's what I have, is the squall 200.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm not uh, you know, I I I think that asking I that's why I try to just get right into what do you like to do? And then they could say, hey, I have a rod that does this. Well, let's not get the same thing, you know, unless, you know, I'm big on that too. Like, hey, your rod is so close to that technique. Have you thought let's go with like for fluke? The bottom fishing guy, like a party boat guy, like even in my couple years here, the transition from a boat rod, like a uh conventional, yeah, to the low pro, you know, the low profile reels, it's like you have full control right here. You know, the button, you're you're in a hole, you're like, I'm down, I'm back. You know, you have full control. The the transition from little rod light line lighter reels, putting a rod that weighs nothing for a guy and saying, yo, you can hang 10 ounces on this thing. And they're like, I got guys like what I've bent rods in half for dudes, and they're like, This is crazy. I'm like, yeah, it's technology is just you don't you no longer need the meat stick. The meat stick is awesome, but the meat stick can now be super sensitive, right? And cost, like you don't need to go crazy. I'll tell you right now, like the jigging world line. You know, we were kind of like in the beginning, I didn't want to get into jigging world. I met Mike, the owner, he's a super nice guy, but he said, listen, I I have the price points. And I was like, this makes sense for me. Like for me, it's simple. I a hundred dollar rod for a good inshore saltwater rod that you could catch potentially. I've put like 40, 30 pound tarpon in Mexico on these rods. I've put big striper on them, I put bone fish on them, a small fish. It's sensitive enough to catch a bone fish with a bottom sweeper on a on a on a sandy beach in Mexico, and then I was on the other side catching a tarpon with a paddle tail.
unknown:Right.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:The same rod for $100. So you can do it, you don't need to go crazy. But he provides the $100, and then here, you want to treat yourself, here's titanium, $300. But the specs are all the same. So somebody who doesn't want to drop that, like there's a rod for everybody. So I I try to, you know, keep it. You know, we we unfortunately I can't carry everything that's down the street. So, like, say there's dicks in Walmarts, you know, people will come and ask me for ugly sticks and like tons of that type of stuff. Unfortunately for me, I I would actually like to carry ugly sticks, but there's a 50,000 of them down the street. So for it's tough for us to do everything being a small shop. So that's why we just try to dial it in and and keep it to what we know and what our people, you know. I can't possibly fish for everything. I wish, you know, I had to.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I I had I had to jump in and make a comment on the ugly sticks because I hate them. And and it's not so I own ugly sticks actually, and I use them. However, I hate them because they are the biggest reason that people buy the wrong rods, and it's because they think so many new people to fishing think the most important thing is that you can't break it.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Yes.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:You can break an ugly stick, but what spot on it's tough to break an ugly stick. And the thing, the the the bad thing about it is the action on those rods is not ideal for the vast majority of fishing styles that are out there. Like you shouldn't be using these noodle ugly sticks when you're fishing topwater, but people do because they can't break it. It's like, well, yeah, but you also can't set the hook fast. Yeah. Right? Yeah, there's too much travel in the tip of that rod. And that's the only reason I hate them. So I love that you don't carry them because it it doesn't make sense for you to carry them because you're not dicks with some guy who's never fished saying, yeah, it's on sale for $30.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Well, listen, I I I get I get some guys, so I try to I try to tend to as much as I can. So I typically will bring in catfish models. So a catfish model and it's sold to the catfish guy, that that thing's gonna fall down in the river 19 times a night. So I'm okay with it. But I get exactly what you're saying. It's funny you said that, but actions on rods. So when people stopped using bait and they started to use a jig for flounder, so when the transition from by the way, nothing's gonna ever beat a live, big old live killy on a on a f on a slip, loosely swimming in the backwater, yeah, like it's a treat, a delicacy, that it's never gonna fail. We like to do it with three-inch Z2s and Z-man little jerk shads, and like I like using all types of stuff. But uh when we went from bait to fishing a jig, it changed completely the way that we all looked at these rods. Because now when you're doing this and you have a stiffer rod and it's a medium extra fast or medium fast or a medium moderate, that's when I'll tell you, I'll tell you right now, just a real quick backtrack. From salt to fresh, when I got dialed in fresh, it took the whole salt thing to a whole heightened level. Yeah, so the freshwater people are overly dialed in. Oh, I can't do it unless I have this specific rod. But when you take little pieces from all these guys who were like ultra dialed, you're like, damn, he's actually like when I'm snapping a fluke jig, I need it responding. Yeah, so if you have a soft rod, it is not moving, you're shaking your line. You're so so technically speaking, you're moving your teaser, you're vibrating your teaser.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yep.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:So you you don't want it to re you you need it to pick up line, and then when you need to set it, it needs to go. Um when you're bait fishing, though, so a lot of people, so the ugly stick was the the guy, the minnow squid guy, yeah. Which is not the problem with it, but that's the rod that you need to say, Jay Jimmy, your rod's been over and it's doubled down, you know what I mean?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, like yeah, a lot of people like what people don't realize is they see, and you see this on the water all the time, salt water. You look over and you see everyone doing the Skinner fast jig. But you're looking at the rod and you're like, the bait's not moving. If you've ever used if you've ever touched a Skinner dark matter fluke rod, it is it is stiff at the tip, it is stiff enough to to move those three-ounce bucktails that he's using out in Long Island Sound. I've been but people are doing it, people are jigging it and it's like it's not moving, dude.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I've been told the brands that I don't carry, I'm not allowed to talk negative about them, but I don't carry dark matter either.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So well, for what for whatever, but but the point is the reason that he's able to do that rapid jigging is because the rod is made for it, right? Like it's when he's did when he's actually moving his wrist like that, like this for people that are watching, it's actually moving the lure. Yes, but if you take just most rods don't do that. So take the let's say you use a one-ounce bucktail normally. I typically use a one ounce, three quarters or one ounce. If you take it and you put it in the water and you do that, and it's not moving, your arms moving, but the the the thing's not moving, you don't have enough backbone, it's not strong enough.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:So you're just like you're you're you're shaking slack, you're shaking, you're just literally your line vibrating, which listen, sometimes that might set off of that, that might be how they want it, but they don't they're not meaning to do that, which it's not in in, you know, it that wasn't the reason they were trying, you know, to do that thing. There's a lot of a lot of jigging world fans here. Night Ranger, yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:There's Nexus. Nexus.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I'm telling you, man, these guys, they know what they're those guys know what they're doing. I got a whole new line of rods, a Shogun. I just placed an order today. They'll be here, I believe, in a couple weeks. But those rods for from a hundred price point up, and that's another thing. If anybody ever has, you know, when you're when they come in here, obviously, it's much easier to see these rods. Yeah, you know, you put them down, you can kind of feel the actions. But some techniques, you need the soft moderate for the for, you know, that's another reason I ask people, hey, are you gulp guy or are you are you a bait guy? Because a bait guy can fish a moderate. You know, he can have that that rod that just like loads over and and allows the fish to just be on. It's the same guy that throws crankbait in the smallmouth world. So when you're reeling in a rattle trap or a crankbait and it's and you're reeling and that fish eats it, you're going this way fast. You know, you're going one way and the fish is eating it going the other way. If that rod is not a moderate, the odds of you losing that fish or them hooks now moving in the fish's mouth is very, very likely. So you need the rod to just take the just to take it.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Same deal with striper. You know, there's ideal rods, but you don't need to dial it in that much for striper, like a medium heavy. fast you can go to work like you know uh if you're on a boat like they you know a couple guys said night ranger nexus like a their two to six ounce rod I tell everybody like you can't beat you can't beat that rod so you can put a one ounce tog jig on it and go catch a a 12 pound tog with it and then you can also put a five ounce spook and throw it for Boston School as striper so I like diverse rods I I like I think it makes it easier for me to tell a customer like dude it's not one thing you know you could really do 15 things with this rod if you wanted to so when when I got introduced to the Jigging World line for me it they made it very easy to say hey guys this is the rods three price points they're all badass rods so it's like you can't lose if you want to spend extra money on yourself treat yourself if you don't this will do the job just as good so I try I I do use those I use universal what I consider universal but the the important thing is I know what they can and cannot do well.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So it like the the one rod that I use the most that's not a custom I know what the action is and how if I'm going to fish for fluke I know what I can and can't do and I adjust my approach. I know for striped bass what I can and cannot throw and if I insist on throwing it I know that I have to change everything.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Yes.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right? So you can get you know you can get some diversity of species on these rods if you know if you know what you're doing and you recognize it and you have to overcome that though. It's now up to you because the equipment is made to do certain things and if it's not going to and you still need it to do those things you have to do that. And you and in a lot of cases you can it can put extra strain on you. You know it I mean your elbow could be crushed by the end of the day or your shoulder if you know it doesn't have the backbone to toss it the way that you want yeah I want I want to bring this question up.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:By the way the magic tail insure rod is unbelievable rod I fished I fish two of them currently I had those before Jigging World came in. So jigging world unfortunately replaced some stuff but I am bringing in some of Dante's rods this year again so you guys will see some more magic tail in the store.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah I I want to check those out I'm just gonna bring this this is actually a question for me but from KB. Size for a yak yeah so there's two things here there's what kind of fishing are you going to do but I think what you're asking is how long and I think actually Benji Crab and Fishing answered it. The number one consideration when you're fishing saltwater in a kayak is how long does it need to be to get around the bow of your kayak. So when a fish pulls you side to side and you have a drive system you don't want to hit that drive system. You want to be able to get the line deep and then around the front so I don't fish Benji's fish is a 73 minimum I fish seven six minimum so I just find it's easier I can stay in the seat and just shift forward reach all the way out get it around the that's a great tip I didn't I didn't consider the swing yeah we put up a couple times on a kayak for uh like blue fish and stuff and it was what you're saying I actually that's why I was an Uaha moment that you just said that yeah and more than what I was trying to do. It can be rough I mean the the biggest thing is the question is for fluke. Well you might not just catch fluke so you need to have something that's going to hang up you know handle up to those larger sharks that come in you know you could have a five foot shark you know brown shark on that you can have a 36 inch bluefish you can have a 40 inch striped bass all in the same areas you can have a 30 inch weak fish. So something that can pull that drag and I have seen people try to get around the front and they blame it on the rod. Well the rod broke because you allowed it to get hung and you tried to swing it around the front and the line got caught on the front you know something up front. So that's the number one thing as far as the action I go with a a moderate fast and a medium heavy again medium heavy simply because the brands that I use that's the right weight there's no standard but medium heavy because I use it for multiple things so I want to be able to catch those stripers.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Yeah absolutely and and you uh you said something about this is why my rod broke or this is why I lost the fish. Yeah yeah I always wished I had like a little like like a little recorder so when somebody came in and said dude I lost this fish and before he started I could just click and if I could just make a log of all the things I don't I can't tell you the last time and I've lost some fish lots of fish but I literally see this as that's an that's this is a part of this game that we're that we're playing this is not a like we are you're trying like if we get down to the primitive time like we're we're hunting this fish to take it out of the water. Yeah it's a part of the process it's you might not ever know why you lost that fish. Maybe it just wasn't meant to be that that fish was gonna come home with you.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:You know like I have a I never record stuff. I have I use my friend's jet ski I'm in the back of brigantine ripping around a jet ski like a maniac with a fluke rod a cooler I I call it the probably one of my biggest fluke in the back bay in like six foot of water drifting where I don't normally drift on a sandy old gulp which by the way come get your gulp here it's cheaper than down the shore um just throwing it out there that's all right sandy old gulp teaser I grab this fish I net him super excited I never record I said let me take my phone and stick it here stick it on the dash I get the grippers by the way won't ever do that again I get the grippers and I go like this and I and it goes straight in the water and it would just gone. Yeah I could have sat and said I could have sat me grab these grippers that I love actually so I sell hundreds of these you know it happens that's what I use so I have I can't tell you 10 out of 10 customers will come to the store and tell me I'll never buy this again and they go and they'll spend $300 on a grip because they somehow just can't understand or fathom that it just wasn't meant to be yeah that fish that fish was going in it yeah I'd rather I could have my phone could you know that I I really believe that you know like this stuff happens we lose I've had I don't I don't care how much here we lose fish you know it happens we all do it and when it's not your fish it's hilarious you know when somebody else when people saw the video they were like why didn't you post I said no I don't want to post that yeah it's horrible it was horrible I'm trying to look at some of these comments I don't know what some of these are let's see yeah okay it's tough to read some of these from the distance that I am no my my buddy my I think somebody was on here talking some largemouth stuff but I know you got a lot of salty customers here.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah well so we're actually even over our hour. I did want to ask you you know you've you fish all year and one of the things that that you I mean you're you're fluke fishing so I'll I'll just tell everybody when I'm talking to anybody and I'm thinking about fluke fishing from shore you're actually the first person I talk to because you've got it down and you'll always be like did you ever try this spot yeah and it's like you don't tell me the specific where to get well you have but yeah I have you're you're in the circle there's a circle there is a circle y'all you got to shop here in it but you'll you'll describe a spot and you know so fluke I'd like to talk to you about fluke when it's in season right like we don't need to talk about fluke right now yeah no no yeah we can but I like I was saying I think land-based fishing I've taken I would say four or five customers not personally but like I've taken their fishing from land experience from last two years previous let's call it they've gotten two seasons to like hey I'm actually putting in what you're saying I also don't you know I I was never this way I I talk to people like I learn from everybody I I try to learn fishing is like never you can learn a little technique from somebody who's doing the same thing as you but just doing something different that that you might not know.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:So I'm a I'm a student some people I will open the the the the maps and show them it all and I say listen you just gotta put in the you gotta go walk you got to put in the time you gotta row the jig you got to feel it if you're not feeling it it's let's talk about what else is going on is it the current the time you know write down some notes you know make some notes make a logbook but land I I would say when people figure it out that they could catch more I don't want to say more keepers when you could catch your limit just as good as a guy on a boat or a kayak with confidence from foot it changes the game yeah you can you know say you can't take the yak all day and and it's a thing and you're like I only got two hours you can dial it in like that you could have a fluke spot that's that dialed yeah and that takes time so that's not something you can learn you know I even if you made a how-to and you showed somebody still they would still go to that spot and they would not be productive a day or two and they wouldn't give it the time of day that's it needs to be time time spent on a spot even if your buddy is told you everything about it you still have to feel the growing pains you have to go do it I try to tell people that all the time like I can tell you where to go bud but I'm not helping you.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So so Steph, I've been with people who said oh we're going to my spots today and we go to their spots and they outfish me. And I'm like I'm literally three feet from you and they're they're bailing the fish and they're they're fishing it differently you know and I I don't know what they're doing differently but they're doing it differently and vice versa I've had that happen. I've had that happen in a tournament I was like well I want to fish this spot and there were five of us literally within a couple feet of each other and I was the only one catching because they had never been there. You know and they were it looked like we're literally coming around this this this point in a line and I was not the first and I was not the last and I was catching I was catching some fish.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:So yeah I mean it it there is something to that I before we go I do want to go back first door hours we got tons yeah let's again so first of all let's locking grips locking grips I do have locking grips by the way um those raplos lock yeah no I know well well they do but I think he was talking about this guy like the uh like the like uh oh yeah yeah rippy this got a little scale on there yeah that's too highfalutin for me man i i agree i agree i i tend to drop stuff in the water so i like this one undersized rods and oversized fish who doesn't love that situation wait so listen you tell me you tell me this i'm gonna this is just a quick story i try uh like i you've seen me with customers i'm trying to be as friendly as possible you know i had some somebody kept asking me i don't deem any questions silly but after like three or four some sillies i typically will be like well what you know i i i eventually will say like listen where what are we what are we getting here so i had a a young man he kept asking me and the the wrong questions and i said simply listen let's backtrack ask me some questions that's gonna help you catch these fish that you're trying he kept saying well how big of a fish can I catch with this rod right how big of a fish can I catch and I said well you or me right and then like somebody somebody bought one of my jokesters that's always hanging out the shop couches I call them by the way if anybody shops here we have three four people they are not employees so just because they're hanging out that doesn't mean they work here they the the the couch they're like the couches in this in the store so one of this guy shoots out and he was like you're such a I was like I don't think that was that mean I'm being serious like so the question is whoever's holding that rod if the uh situation allows you once again the situation allows you to land this fish i've we've i've I went to the back bay with like little smallmouth stuff on a cinder worm bite where I could not get a striper they were slurping one inch cinder worms off the surface like slurping i this is where it helps to be a crazy person who has salt and freshwater stuff in their truck so I ran to my truck and I get a uh a 6'8 light action with 10 pound line and like eight pound fluoro and I and I get a smallmouth little tiny net rig and I strip the net rig in half and slice it so it's literally a thin floating worm and I put a tiny like 16th ounce jig head wacky style yeah and I literally floated it into the lights and it was like you gotta be kidding me all right so that's it go back you can you need to go back and watch watch the episode I did with Skinner this summer because we talked about the striped bass cinder worm and how to catch him and he has he has an interesting tactic.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:He thought it was easy to catch him during cinder worm hatches and I never could with the right with the right gear. He fishes them differently than you would think he's not matching that hatch you got to watch it up something completely different. I like he does something completely different. I will say this also you sold me about four years ago or maybe three years ago a I went in and I said look I dropped a a uh a combo overboard I need something really inexpensive and you sold me you're like this is really cheap but you'll probably be able to you know get by with it until you get your real rods and I bought the Pen Squadron combo that you had it was like $39. Yep right the rod I ended up catching one of those butterfly rays six feet across on a $39 it was only 14 feet of water took over 45 minutes to get up 14 feet. But it's to your point like if you know the gear and you know how to do it you can do it.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I think situational like if you're near a piling and you have a big fish on that's what I mean by like if the situation presents that you can do it you're on a open water if you're open water fishing the answer to that question is like I said my growing up fishing was a little different. So like in my parents used to send us to Greece. It was cheaper than daycare send me and my brother over there my dad's family lives on the water not not with a lot of money but we had the ocean so we were like we fished like animals every day. That's what we ate if we didn't go fishing we weren't snacking you know we've caught octopus I used to die for octopus and do all types of stuff like that. But my grandfather we've handlined big fish like I grew up on a little whaler he would take me out and we would like we've had to throw big fish overboard in storms thinking we were going to die in the boat. Because it was like a little whaler with a 40 and we're like in the Mediterranean but we put 60 and 80 pound tuna on the back of his boat 100 pound on the hand lines. Yeah so when guys talk tackle when they when people talk gear failure it's a little tough for me because I'm like dude our gear is unbelievable like compared to what it used to be like like literally we could drop a hand line back there and I could put a like we could put a sailfish on the boat and this isn't like I'm not a I'm not like a like we could do this if I wanted to take somebody from this chat and we could catch a tuna on a hand line a a 60 pound 50 60 it's not it's a technique thing. It's so it all is a technique thing. Just like the line comes out of the barrel or the line's coming off your spool whether it's too loose or too tight is on the captain of the vessel. So it's like if your drag isn't ready when that fish goes and takes off you know you've so it's always us I I'm I very rarely blame my tackle but you could catch huge fish with small gear.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Absolutely yeah and it is said you're destroyed after how hard how messed up was this when you were done with that Ray I was I was I wasn't done with the Ray I was done with the day I was so I was done done done it it totally played me out 14 feet of water.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Do you have tog rods we absolutely have tog rods I got tog rods tog combos well okay why don't you give the website one more time yep so the website is well hold on I think I think I got Rob Rob is actually in here answering for people my guy just Rob Zorn my guy the big bold man he he's in the behind the scenes for me the front man so he's back here he's responding to all of you guys so this is great.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:But let's put it let's put it on the audio so the the hours are Monday from 10 to 6.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Absolutely yep basically 10 to 6 is uh Monday only so from eight to six during the week Fridays and Saturdays we're here till eight Sundays we're here till four so sundays are a little uh shorter day those have been our hours for a while it's very likely I could do something different in February but for right now we're seven days a week call the store if if you know if you're coming from far away or if you're not sure call the store just to make sure but usually somebody will be here on in you know on our business hours also on Google well if somebody types in SportFission outlet it will pop up right away. What else so the website is sfotackle.com like we said earlier there's a fat dad code so fatdad15 basically load the cart fatdad15 at checkout you're getting 15% off that order and you're also gonna get like a bonus they'll send you an email after and like I said this is we've we've had a bunch of orders on it we're we're just trying to like I was telling you guys earlier this is a competitive market so I never really thought I was gonna be you know pushing for online sales but unfortunately this is 2026 almost so we need to be in the game so we are now in the game so you can now shop your goal A lot of people have also been ordering on our website and picking up. So there's guys who have like can't they can't spend an hour. They already know what they need. So when they get here, I got a little baggie. It's already ready to go. There's guys that come on lunch break, they come in picking up an order. So you can actually order for pickup. Any of these promos, I'll be running promos on our social stuff a lot moving forward. But you guys for this specifically, we put the fat dad code on the on the website.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So it is and just as a heads up, I'm not making anything on that guy. So that's just what the yes, just to throw this out there.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I don't I don't pay any of the guys who support us. Let's say I give them love in the store. So like all of anybody who you see ever tag our store. I try, I mean, I mean, this is as organic as it gets. I I'm a small shop. I can't give somebody 20 grand to advertise for me. Plus it's inorganic. So it's I just don't, you know, I like people like, you know, your viewers, you know, they they they know you, they trust you, which means they they're they're they at least know good people. So for me, for me, it's good to find good people in the fishing community. So like I said, we we can't do what we do without all the customers that come in in our shop. So I always avoided YouTube and making channels because I always felt these customers come into our store, they should really be getting the the the juice, let's say, you know, all the way squeezed. So I never got into the let you know the teaching and stuff like that. But we we are looking forward to I think we just got our YouTube channel up, so you'll be seeing some stuff in the store. So we're starting to do just some basic, you know, if somebody has any questions and they want to see a video, you know, we'll be in touch for for the next one of our little podcasts here.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So that's coming soon. So and and the last thing before we go, I'm gonna just mention we were going to do another tog trip for the channel. I'm not able to do that. It's it's just not in the cards the way that the weekends are working out. And the good news is the weekend that we were going to do it, January 9th to 11th, that time frame, that's the Philadelphia fishing show in Oaks. And you've got to when you go in there, I don't know if you're in the same spot or not.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:We are right there, right? Okay. So you walk first to entrance.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, you're gonna see Jim Hutchinson Jr. right in front of you with the Fisherman magazine, and almost right next to him, you're gonna see eight booths together, and that's that's sport fishing out. That's yeah, that's where you're gonna see Stefanos and all his guys with all of the stuff, the crew, yeah. Swing look, it's a fun show to go to, but go in and say hi, and you'll have those same conversations that they have in the shop there, and you'll get to meet a lot of people that are in the region. Now, this draws from a pretty good distance, but you'll be able to meet other people in the region that are fishing as well, and you know, get some good deals.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:It's a it's a great show. So the nine through the 11th, we'll have. I don't know if you remember, I mean, I'm not sure if you made it last year, but at the end of our booth, there's a guy with a line like a fighting station so you could put on like tuna, you want to catch a tuna. I'll tell you right now, it is so freaky realistic. The fish make runs just like the real game fish. They have like Grand Travali and Jack Travali's on there, and you can sit and fight a fish, but it's pretty cool. I thought it was a little silly at first, and I didn't realize the line was like, you know, all the way past our our booth because we put it at the end of our booth. Yeah, so yeah, it's it's a good show, it's a lot of fun. They move the date, so January 9, 10, 11, and uh you can't miss us. So we're right when we rate when you walk in. I'll be giving out coupons for the store there. For us, it's more marketing, and just to show some some some you know, some of what we have here. You know, obviously I can't bring the store, so you guys are gonna have to stop by the shop if you have it.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:It's worth going in. It's just one of those places you just want to go.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:And here, let me show them your favorite hat.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Oh, yeah.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Your favorite hat.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I should have bought it today. Yeah, I'm buying that.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Come on, you I you I owe you a hat.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I'll I'll I'm gonna swing in this week and buy it.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:And my beautiful wife designed this one.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah. Fan favorite. The most popular one.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:That's the blue-eyed, the blue-eyed gal hat.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah. Yeah, I I'm probably gonna swing in tomorrow if I can get time between meetings. I mean, good the good news, everybody, for full disclosure, it's only 10 minutes from my office. So I can swing in whenever I want, and it's it's tough to resist going in too often. But yeah, I'm gonna swing.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:We got everybody's we got everybody's questions because I uh Rob was answering. You have Soltex reels in stock. By the way, Soltex, if you're a van stall, I mean, if you're looking for a van stall type reel, um, we let's talk Soltex when you come here. I know somebody Rob just answered somebody and asked if we had them. We do have them.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, and if people have questions, look, you you got their socials, you can reach out directly to Stefanos. You can reach out to me and I'll connect you with them. Yeah, absolutely. You know, with the shop.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Thank you guys.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, thanks for coming on. Everyone, uh, it's cold out there. It's freaky. But but the togg are biting. The dogs, the toggly, the toggle.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Like listen, guys, the fish don't stop eating. You know that. We just we just don't want to deal with this, you know?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah. And we're gonna have on uh next week, we're gonna we're gonna talk, we're gonna really dive into the freshwater because one of the things is it's cold and it's a whole different kind of cold when you're on a boat in the middle of the ocean in winter. Uh so some of us need to get our fix.
Speaker 2:And my upcoming gear.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I know.
Speaker 2:You gotta get all the good stuff.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I was looking at the colour.
Speaker 2:Clothing matters, guys. Clothing matters.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:It does, but you can also get that fix uh freshwater. So Matusin's gonna come on. We're gonna talk some uh winter trout fishing.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:Yes.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:And uh we we are definitely gonna dive into that. Of course, you guys know Chris Matussa. If you want to talk strike bass, he's he'll be he'll be game for that too. So that's next week. Then I don't know what we're gonna do around the holidays.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:I'm gonna get I'm gonna get with him and we're gonna go target some some big trout with fly baits because I know he's gonna be into that.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, well, maybe he'll be calling you when he calls me next time he comes up.
Stefanos - Sport Fishing Outlet:He's gonna. Harry Nepp started SFO long time ago. Greatest toward Harry Neff. See, they know Harry. Harry's the legend, y'all.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, he is. All right, guys, everyone, get out there on the water this week. It's cold, but uh, you gotta do it, and let's talk about it next week when Chris is on. Until then, get out there, get on the water and get some tight lines.
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