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EP 45: Bearded Dad Meets Fat Dad: A Tale of Two Waters
Rich and Jay explore the differences and surprising similarities between freshwater and saltwater fishing, proving that techniques from one world can successfully translate to the other.
• Jay discusses his journey from casual angler to creator of the 45,000-member Kayak Fishing Dads Facebook group
• Detailed breakdown of transitional bass fishing tactics as summer gives way to fall
• Why suspending jerkbaits often outperform floating models for subsurface presentations
• How freshwater bass tactics can be effectively applied to saltwater striped bass fishing
• Candid conversation about whether forward-facing sonar and spot lock technology constitute "cheating"
• The pros and cons of baitcasting versus spinning gear for different fishing scenarios
• Jay's experience transitioning from GoPro to Insta360 cameras for fishing content creation
• Recommendations for must-watch fishing YouTube channels including Christine Fisher and Greg Blanchard
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Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:You have to learn how to use it hello and welcome back to the fat dad fishing show. I'm your host, rich natoli, and we're back with another episode, but we're going to be talking a little bit about freshwater and kayak fishing tonight. We have on tonight Jay from Bearded Dad Fishing, and it's funny because we live really close to each other and we're in two different worlds, so I'm almost purely saltwater and he is essentially, at this point, purely freshwater, essentially, at this point, purely freshwater. So I think it's going to be an interesting conversation because we both, right before we came on, both said we should probably try the other one a little bit more. So maybe we'll get talking some striper, we'll get talking some bass, I'm sure, because that's what I'm interested in on the freshwater side right now at this time of year. And, yeah, so Jay's going to be on just momentarily.
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Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:And one last thing before we bring Jay on, if this is your first time here or if you haven't done this in the past, please make sure, if you enjoy this show, if you find any value in it, please give it a like, give it a share, give it a review. Anything like that really helps us to grow the podcast and the live stream and you know it helps us to get guests that are interested in coming on. So any help there would be appreciated, especially the shares. If there's somebody that you know that doesn't watch, doesn't listen on the podcast, just send it out to them, give them a shot at it, and if they don't like it, well, they can tell me about it. It's all good With that said, we're going to bring on Jay real quick.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:We're going to keep this to about an hour and we did start late and I'm going to say, as I bring Jay on screen, we are starting just a couple minutes late tonight. My fault. I was trying to get it so Jay could actually broadcast this to his channels, but we were unable to get that done successfully and we didn't want to keep waiting. So, jay, welcome aboard Good to see you.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:What's up, rich? Thanks for having me, man, and it's okay, I'm accustomed to being late. We're Puerto Rican and Puerto Ricans are late to everything.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:See, I'm always on time. All right, yeah, but that's what happens. The corporate world killed me being on time, and I think part of the reason I started being on time is because it would give me a reason to be pissed at people that were always late. Oh there you go that I didn't like working with.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So, it was my own little petty way of showing them up, so yeah, so welcome to the stream. I've been following you. I want to let everyone know. If they want to check you out online. Probably, in my opinion, the first place they should look is the Kayak Fishing Dads Facebook group group. And I mean, that's a dude, I'll tell you what that's. That thing grew yeah, it exploded.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Man, I didn't like. My buddy was the one that. So we started kayak fishing. Dads, just kind of as a place, I don't know, talk about kayak stuff. There's plenty of groups out there, but they all kind of seem like niche specific. Yep, yep, we started, and I started it in 2022, just kind of on a whim, and we got close to 45 000 members in there. Now, yeah, that's man, people, people connect there and they go fishing and they meet new fishing buds and that's that's what it's all about. I, I love seeing that so do I.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I'm a member there, have been for a long time. I don't talk much in there, I'm more of a lurker. I try to. I'm also a mod for another large Facebook kayak group and it's just so exhausting that by the time I get out of doing the moderation work and I'm just hanging out checking out kayak fishing dads, I'm just like I'm just kind of absorbing it and not interacting. I'm just like I'm just kind of absorbing it and not interacting. I'm just so tired, yeah, but I mean, but you know, these large groups it can be tough to moderate.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:It can be really tough. Oh yeah, get all kinds of people in there. Yeah, you get. I mean, it's the biggest thing is trying to keep it free of the spam bots and all the all the fake profiles, man, there are so many. Yeah yeah. Besides that, most people behave, I think.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Most people do, and you don't have a lot of rules that are difficult for people to follow Because everybody says that they're going to go by the rules but they really don't read the rules and they're in 100 different groups so they don't remember the rules and you don't have a lot. Yours are just kind of common sense rules and you don't have a lot. Yours are just kind of common sense rules. The one that I'm a moderator in. You have to. If you post a picture of you on the water, you have to have a PFD on or else it gets taken down. So with 110, 120,000 people in that group, you can imagine that we are continuously.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:But the niche is it's a nonprofit that is centered on centered on kayak safety.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So it makes sense, right, yeah, but yeah, it could be exhausting. So why don't you, why don't we start off people that aren't familiar with you? Why don't you start off by, you know, giving a little bit of background about yourself? Yeah, find you and what it is you do on the water?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:for sure man. So I started water For sure man. So I started bearded dad fishing in 2021. I started kayak fishing in 2021. So the idea, the idea just started from wanting to film kind of my fishing exploits. My wife bought me a GoPro and I thought it was the coolest thing and I was like man, I'm just going to show her all the fish I catch instead of these like little crappy pictures. And I think my second time out with the GoPro I landed my one and only tiger musky and I thought it was super cool. She's like upload it to YouTube. I was like, all right, cool. So I did, and I have a video editing pass. Like I did that through most of college and my first step in my career was all video editing. So it wasn't hard to kind of get into that side of it and I posted.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:My first six videos were just me going fishing and I thought that was, it was fun. But then you know, I got it was just exciting to get like 10 views on a video. I was like man, that's 10 people that I don't know that are watching my video. That's so neat. Then I, for some reason, I just stopped. I know why.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I got busy and then it got cold and I don't fish in the cold, so I just stopped in the wintertime, picked it up again the next spring and I remember wanting to go out fishing on my birthday and I couldn't because it was going to rain and it was still cold out.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:So I was like, whatever, I'm just going to do an overview of my kayak here in my driveway. So I did an overview of my kayak and that video just blew up for me at the time, like I started getting hundreds of views a day on the video and and quickly got monetized, maybe within like nine months. And that's when I was like well, maybe instead of just fishing videos, I'll do more tutorial how to you know, like, like getting comfortable on the water type videos. So I've been that's kind of the lane I've been staying in. I'll do a couple of fishing videos a year, but for the most part my videos are very much geared to people starting kayak fishing that maybe don't feel comfortable or they just don't know that they're dealing with information overload, because it's it's the internet and, yeah, I'm adding one more piece of information to it, but I'm trying to organize it where it's not like all over the place right, it's tough.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I started off doing just kind of like me, fishing and then I went into like the how-to and I don't do a lot of. I don't do a lot of videos anymore because the the I I mainly just do the live stream and the podcast because people just get so pissed because you know I will talk about a spot specifically and people figure it out and they get so angry I'm like, well, go to hell. Then I don't need to tell you where it is. I'm not, I'm not burning spots, I'm just, you know, it's just a regular video, but I've had some some pretty. It's just a pain in the ass and and I don't think what people realize is- you spend.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:You can spend hours on a five minute video.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, you know hours to do that and knowing that it's not going to get a hundred thousand views, you just kind of do it to be helpful and it's like, well, maybe I'm not going to do it so much anymore yeah, it doesn't.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I mean if you're gonna, if, even if you are monetized on youtube, I mean what you factor in for for a video. I I, on average I spend about 15 hours of video and that's between scripting, filming, editing, and then you've got to work on all the backend stuff like the descriptions and the tags and everything else. Uh, but I mean, even if most people are maybe making like a couple of dollars on a video and then they get one that blows up, maybe they'll get more, but yeah, if they're lucky.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I would say that the average person that just got monetized is probably making about five dollars a month yeah, I don't.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I don't think that's far off and most people that you watch in the kayak fishing space are not monetized. They do it because it's it's fun. You know it's fun. It starts as a passion project and sometimes it it when people do something consistently enough and and they start to get good at it, they'll eke into. They could start making some money out of it and then, yeah, I, I haven't hit that point.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, that's okay though, because, as we were saying, you know off, you know before we came on here, it's it's more of a passion project for people and you know, I and it really became clear to me that I just wanted to keep doing this. Even if I wasn't doing the videos, I wanted to at least do the podcast and the live stream, because I just have so much fun doing it and I know that it helps people. You know the guests that come on on. They introduce people to a new type of fishing or new strategies.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:And, look, we all wish that we could hang out all day with people and talk fishing and we can't. So we figured, hey, monday night's a good time, we just got through the first day of the week, the worst day of the week at work, and if we can just talk on Monday nights, maybe it'll make things a little bit easier for everyone. And then we do the podcast. Audio comes out on Thursday mornings, just so that people have enough time for the saltwater guys coming from PA to New Jersey or New York that they can actually listen to it in the car on the way down and maybe pick up some information, but you're not going to the shore.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I'm not yeah. So yeah, we were talking before we went live that I it's on my list to go fish the salt. So I just again, I've only I've only really been fishing on a kayak, for I've been fishing since I was a kid, but it was more on and off, and then on a kayak since 2021, so what? Four years. So I've, you know, I do mostly lakes, small lakes around here. I just kind of started venturing into river fishing this year because the susquehanna is not far from here and it's, it's I want to go out to it more especially, it being, you know, an hour and a half.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:For me, it's basically in my backyard right, no, but you, you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to get used to fishing in the cold, because you had mentioned striped bass fishing a couple times with me in our first email exchange, you said if I come on. We got to go striped bass fishing. That's cold weather, my friend is, is it?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Oh well, you know, that's the best time. It's the best time to go. I just got to button up and get used to it, I guess.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, dry suit if it's late enough in the year, or a wetsuit if it's not quite that late. Get some decent, you know neoprene boots and you'll be good. But I'll tell you what. There are very few things that are as exciting as hooking into a fall run striped bass and having it pulling you all around the place while you're trying to bring it up, and then you pull that damn thing out of the water and 40 plus inches on it. That's a pretty good feeling. So we'll have to work on that.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:For sure. So I did catch striper off my kayak, but they were freshwater striper and it was. It was 16 and a half inches, so I mean I got, got a striper, but you know I would much rather prefer a 35 plus inch fish.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, I mean they're, they're fun. But I'll tell you what the the the fight on the small one. They fight harder, the small ones, you know. Obviously, with the size added in on the 35 inch plus, you know, you get to 30, 40 pound fish. It just it feels a lot more impressive until you really think about it. They don't. In my experience they don't fight as hard as the smaller ones. Smaller ones are like pissed off and they're more aggressive. The large ones. They can sometimes turn into just kind of like a dead weight type of thing.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Okay.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:It's cool when you pull it out of the water, but then when you think about the fight, it's like it was all right, but you caught a tiger muskie.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I did, yeah, so up in New York and I've hooked into a couple here in Pennsylvania. I just never because I'm never targeting them. So I'm out there with whatever six, eight pound test, yeah, and so they cut off real easily. But the time in new york I also wasn't targeting it and it was just eight pound test, little three and a half inch like jerk bait, and sure enough this thing just like just whams it and and I caught it on video and it was, it was cool. I mean I still watch that video just because it's, it's. I don't even know what to do with myself.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:All right. So let me ask you this so I have my 10,000 plus casts and I don't have one yet. As I watch videos, there's one with Kristen Fisher where she's out there and she's catching these things, and this seems to be. So tell me about this. You only caught the one. Maybe you don't know, but it seems to me that the vast majority of muskie are caught right at the boat on the figure eight, and it's about a 13 second fight.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cause. Then after that, like it's all, I mean depends if it'll run with the drag, but a lot of them you're catching them right there with that figure eight. And I have a good friend that targets them all the time on Lake St Clair and he's pretty good. I mean he can get one or two on a trip and they get big out there. I mean that's big, it's big freshwater.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I just want the fight. You know what I mean.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, I saw the one where Chris and this is nothing against Kristen she's obviously very, very good at what she does. She caught a couple on this trip, and the first one I was like it's not the fight that you're looking for for this fish, it's the fact that you caught it, because as soon as it's hooked up, they're grabbing the net. And on the third swing around I don't think this was Kristen doing it, but on the third swing around, I mean because it's it's there's like no leader left. It's all the way reeled up right when they hooked it just pulled it right into the net and it was a big fish that was over 40 inches, I think was huge. Oh yeah, did you see the?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:one that bit her knee I didn't, yeah, so she had one. She's like a pitcher, like it, was it just it just flopped to the side it was probably like a 40 inch plus fish and flopped to the side and just grabbed a hold of her knee.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Oh, it grabbed it.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, yeah, she had to shove her finger in there to pop it off, that's ballsy, even throwing your finger in there too. Yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I guess that's a pure reaction. You got to do something at that point.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, they're pretty gnarly man. I mean to think how pissed off they are to even at that. I mean cause when you're doing that figure eight, you can shove the rod in the, in the water and everything. They don't care they, they see. They probably see nothing Cause it's just tunnel vision on whatever's ticking them at that point, and then they'll go for it.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:That's awesome. I can't believe it. It bitter, though.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Was she damaged?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:really bad Did she have to get stitches and everything. I don't think she had to get stitches, but I mean, I think it left a pretty cool stucco.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:That's like. The one thing that always concerns me about different species is their teeth flying around once they're in the boat.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:And you know I get nervous, as I'm sure you do, if you were to catch one on a kayak, bringing it into your lap Like sharks. I really don't like bringing a shark in because they can turn around and they can get you when you have them by the tail. I've been bit by a shark before because I was stupid when it was in the boat. I can't imagine bringing a muskie that size in Snakeheads I don't know, I think snake heads. Do you go snake head fishing?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:No, it's on my list. Those things look fun.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Damn. I was going to say, if you go snake head fishing, I want to follow you, because that's the one thing that I'm trying to get into and I haven't caught one yet. I've been silently going, every once in a while as I cross places that, look good, got kicked off somebody's property a few weeks ago. I didn't realize it was private. I, I, there was a little fry ball there too. I was like, oh, this is going to be great. And the guy's like, hey, I don't mind if you're here right now, but this is private.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I was like damn it yeah all right, I'll leave, I'm out, I'm out, but those are. So you do have the toothy guys for the fresh water we do.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I mean they're not, I wouldn't say they're probably as aggressive, or as many of them, as maybe saltwater. You know we got like the pickerel walleye musky, you know, but what?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:are you targeting?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:most of the time, though, mostly bass, so a large mostly bass. Now we'll do so. Last year for the first time I targeted black crappie, so my buddy Jake, who's in the chat we went for some black crappie and that was fun and they're delicious too. I've never had freshwater fish, really yeah, so those were pretty good. I've heard walleye are good they are I like walleye?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I used to catch a lot of walleye. I always get concerned because of where you're fishing Freshwater Is it clean enough? Like catfish? I don't know that there's a catfish in Pennsylvania I would eat just because of what they eat and where they are out of the skookle.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I don't think so.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Snakeheads are apparently good. I do love walleye, though, but you're mostly going largemouth, yeah. So when does your season end?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:So I mean it really starts to slow down around August. But I mean you can I'm not mistaken we can target them all the time, except for during their spawn, which, yeah, I mean in Jersey and New York. You can target them, you just can't harvest. And I mean right, people harvest bass over here anyways, for sport fishing no, I bass.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I mean I've had bass. They're very fishy. It's not my favorite, you know, kind of like blue fish, but blue fish I think have a little better taste, even though it's just as strong, so I'll definitely eat the blue fish. I'm seeing in the chat the recommendation that you want to go saltwater. We're going to do in December a tog trip out on one of the charter boats, so I'll send you an email when we do that. We're just a bunch of viewers and listeners for the podcast. Get together, we all jump on the boat together. I think we went on the osprey last time. We'll probably do that again. Just head off atlantic city. It's going to be cold but it's, I mean, tog fishing. Have you ever gone tog fishing at all ever? Do you know what a tog is?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I don't okay, I've heard of it plenty, but I don't know yeah okay, so tall tog it's black fish is is also one of the names for it. It's a, a bottom fish on structure. So you're fishing wrecks offshore. It is cold, it is bottom fishing, but it is so much fun. It's crazy. When you hook one of those things, they immediately try to run for cover. So you got to clear them out of the wreck by just cranking as hard as you can to get them out. And then they'll dig and they start digging. That rod is like doubled and all they're trying to do is get into the rocks or into the structure, because once they get in they go in head first and they extend their fins and just sit there. So it locks them in like an anchor.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:It's so much fun Are they big.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:They can get pretty big. I think the world record is what? 26 pounds. Okay, six pounds, I think it is. Yeah, new Jersey state record, I think his was 20, about 24. So, yeah, it's it, it's fun, so I'll, I'll get you on that. But large mouths, large mouth bass what? So if you're going to be fishing for that coming up, let's talk a little bit about your tactics, because we do definitely have freshwater fishermen that listen to and watch this. What are you doing at this time of year in eastern Pennsylvania when you're heading out on the water?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah. So I mean we're kind of getting out of the topwater bite. So I mean all summertime topwater frogs, whopper poppers probably my favorite, or choppo. So we're just working on that topwater frogs, whopper poppers, probably my favorite, or choppo, yeah, but we're just, we're just working on that topwater my. My buddy got me onto that buzz bite. Uh, buzz, buzz bait bite this year, which was fun.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I mean, I've been, I'm I'm like learning all new types of techniques, uh, but you can't beat a topwater bite when it comes to the fishing period, man, it's just, it's just something exciting about it yeah, so, uh, I mean that's, that's kind of that like and I have my confidence baits that I feel like always, like in the summertime specifically, even in this type of wow temperature right now like throwing out a fluke is always a always a good deal. Yeah, I mean, we're throwing out like four, four or five inch flukes and they're almost always hitting it so it's just a jerk bait but so are you.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Are you using different tactics for small mouth versus a large mouth, or you look in different places?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:yeah, so I'm not, I'm not super experienced with small mouth. I mean, I've caught them, but their, their behavior is different, and usually small mouth will go deeper, and so they're not. They're not going to be hanging out around the same spots for the most part, so but, but I'm still. We're going up to Otisco in New York, so one of the it's the Eastern most finger Lake up in New York. So we're going up there targeting small mouth just a couple of weeks, man.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So we're like the opposite. So I have caught very few large mouth but small mouth I've caught a lot and people always say, well, how many large mouth? I'm like I I don't know. I could probably count them on two hands, you know in my life, and they just don't get it and I'm like I think they're in different spots because oh for sure people, and they catch them all the time. And I'm fishing the same day, the same area and I'm catching all smallmouth yeah, yeah, so largemouth tend to stay more shallow.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, uh, they'll get deeper, but they tend to get. You won't find a smallmouth to be up that shallow most of the time, and even when they bed, I I'm pretty they bed a little bit deeper.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:That's just so. The whole bedding thing, that is not a saltwater thing. No, that is not. No. No, I mean I don't think so. Unless I'm missing somebody in the chat. Tell me if I'm just not thinking of something.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:But there is no like bedding down or anything like that. You know, you can't see, like the crappie, and where they've been and where to target, it's just like they're all over the place. So that's like a whole different tactic to me. It's not something that I'm familiar with. But I want to tell you, though, you're the approach that you use with that top water, and actually for any bass, small mouth included, it's going to directly translate to those straight bass in the in the salt water and actually for any bass, smallmouth included, it's going to directly translate to those striped bass in the saltwater All the way down to very similar baits. And a lot of people won't mention this, but if you're fishing saltwater for striped bass, you can use frogs. Frogs work, and they work really well because they push a lot of water and they make a lot of commotion.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So if they're feeding and it's a top water bite. You can actually use a frog. You can also use the little the mouse lures. Those work as well they'll eat all those things, but it goes. But most of it is actually subsurface for for the vast majority of the fishing. Yeah, so, so okay, so you're going out, let's say you're going out for large mouth. The top water bite is kind of winding down. Let's say it's October, so it's it's kind of winding down. You're going subsurface. What is it that you're using at that point?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:So typically I'll throw on a fluke will be my next go-to, because I just feel comfortable with a fluke. It's, it's cause you, you just the the, the motion it gets is really erratic and you can, you can tie on a fluke so that it can stay. So I gotta stay in frame here, but you could tie it on so that it can. When you jerk it, it pops upwards, so so you're getting a little bit more subsurface and sometimes they'll just even pop through the surface and come back down. Or you can rig it so that when you jerk it it comes down a little bit. So but you, you, you're still going to be in that two foot ish deep water, um, so, and if that's not working, then I'll tie on a jerk bait, like a hard jerk bait, like a Rapala.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:The X wraps are my favorite, or the shadow wraps, um, and I, I like the suspending jerk baits and uh, and a lot of people like the floating ones, which are fine, but I just something about it. I just liked the suspending ones and I feel like I get better luck with those, but because you can control the depth a little bit easier with those versus a fluke, you could tie on, you know something with a little bit of a of a bigger bill and get it down to eight feet, so you can kind of play with that whole, that whole range of of the water column.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right, the suspending, I think, are underrated. You know, the floating. I used to use floating all the time and I realized it was because it gave me a starting point, so I'd see it pop to the top and then I'd know okay, a certain number of cranks is when I'm going to get it down to where it really needs to be. But the problem with that is I'm out of the zone for half the time. You know they're.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:They're not feeding on the top, that's that's why I'm not fishing top water, so the floating ones for most of the now. They they do have a great application for certain situations, but I used to use it as a default for fresh water and it was definitely not the right way to go. I actually stopped using those. The suspending are great. You like the X-Wraps? You said.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, what size are you using the four inch?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:The four inch.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Okay, all right, they get pretty big. They got some bigger ones, but I don't. I think I might have one five inch, but I stay right around that four inch mark. Well, the big ones.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:They're still going to eat the smaller stuff.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, yeah, for sure, man. One thing I don't mess around with a whole lot are like the smaller jerk baits, so like the like the two and a half inch rapala is like the three inch like it's. It's seldom that I'll throw one.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I find like that four inch to be that sweet spot that works a lot yeah, okay, you know, and what, what, what, what's your, your whole setup like for your you? You know you're, you're heading out on the kayak, you're going to reach around behind you to your 34 rods that you have back there. You carry at least eight right I don't I carry six, Six yeah so.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I don't know if that makes makes much of a difference, so but yeah.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So the first rod that you grab, what? What is it? What's that entire setup, the rod, the reel, the line and all of that, what's the first thing that you're pulling out?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:So typically, I mean, I, most of my, most of my setups are going to be like all around, like, like I try to make it versatile, like, yeah, I carry six rods but I'm probably not using more than three of them. Um, you know. So. So my main ones, like a medium heavy, is going to be I have. So most of my rods are impulse rods, cause I was working with them on on a sponsorship basis last couple of years and uh, so I still have a lot of those. But impulse rods makes they make really good rods. They're a little bit on the on the pricier side of things, so I don't try to steer people towards them, because sometimes you don't really need to spend $250 for a rod For most people Again, most of the people I work with and do my videos for are beginners.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:No way I'm telling you to get a $400 setup when you're just starting out with a $400 kayak Right. So, like a 7'3" medium heavy, usually a bait caster. If I'm throwing something a little bit bigger, I prefer a spinning rod. Whenever I can swing a spinning rod, I'll go for a spinning rod and then I'll do 15-pound braid on my spinning rods with a 10-pound fluorocarbon leader and then on my bait casters I was running braid, but this year I started running 12-pound fluorocarbon 10 or 12, depending on which one I'm grabbing. But really.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:How does that? How's that working out compared to the braid?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I prefer so for the ease of of casting and picking out your bird's nest. I prefer the braid because I use shoot. It's a power pro braid and it's I've never had an issue. I think I've had one bird's nest I've ever couldn't pick out on my own with the braid and with the fluorocarbon. I feel like they're just a little bit trickier to work out if you get a nasty one well, especially if you get a kink in there, then you're done.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, yeah, I do prefer, I prefer the I do prefer the braid, but I'm getting used to the fluorocarbon on there for the baitcasters.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Okay, yeah, I have found on my baitcasters. The first time that I got one and I was testing it, I had fluoro on there. That was the biggest waste of money because it was expensive to put on and it was bird nest after bird nest. I am terrible at casting a baitcaster and I just it was bird nest after bird nest. I am terrible at casting a bait caster. I just never learned it and I tried to learn it when I was like 50. Yeah, yeah, the old dog, new tricks. Yeah, I didn't learn that one very well. I'm terrible at casting it.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:They are tricky and the big mistake that people make is that when they're getting into and I was fortunate enough to have a friend that told me this right away is they buy a cheap bait caster because they don't want to dive in too much money on something they don't know if they're gonna like. But usually that ruins the experience. I mean, your brakes are all messed up, it doesn't cast nice, it's not smooth, so then what would have been probably better casting and a better experience ends up being more frustration. And then people just kind of say, nah, I'm going to just stick with spinning gear because I'm one.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I try to avoid a bait caster for a while, just because I didn't. I don't like to learn new things if I don't have to. Once I'm comfortable, I like to set in. So that's.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:That's how I am, and my first bait caster was whatever I forget what, the quantum, whatever. It is the same thing that John Skinner uses for those that are watching and listening, and I got it for literally vertical fishing, not to cast just because it's more convenient to use it.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:And then I started casting with. I was like this is not quite right, but I wanted to be able to flip under docks and that's really, really hard with a spinning rod to do. But you can. You can flip and skip a lot easier with a bait caster. So yeah, paul put in there it's an Acura. So yeah, it's the Acura that I got and it's just, it is not a casting not a casting reel it's at least I can't cast with it very well.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:And then I got another one Don't remember what that is just to practice with and I got a little bit better. But I'll tell you what I at this point I just won't skip under docks because I just can't do it. But that kind of leads into my question Are you skipping undercover at all with these bait casters?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I switched. I will switch to my spinning gear if I have to flip under something or skip under something, just because I will, I will birds nest it okay. So I'm, and I'm practicing. This year I did a little bit more, but just to save the aggravation, I'll just go and switch to my spinning gear, because we we'll skip under docks and that's where a lot of the bass hang out, you know. But some guys, some guys can get some good distance on a bait caster and it always just like blows my mind, like I don't know how you do it without your reel, just I don't get it.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I I don't get it because as soon as it hits this like the second skip to me, that's where it just starts bird bird's nest right there, because it slows it just enough that it overruns itself. So I guess you're supposed to do something with your thumb. But with the spinning reel, are you doing the two-handed? You're holding the line and then you're just kind of letting it go and through your hand, or are you just doing the one-handed flip?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:so usually a one-handed. Uh, if I can. It depends if I'm, if I'm standing, because I'll stand and fish quite a bit, but if I have to get pretty low, then it just leverage-wise and kind of like where I'm aiming. It's a little easier when I'm sitting down.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what man. Freshwater fishing is getting harder and harder for me just thinking about it.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, so question for you, though One thing that's big with freshwater fishing is forward-facing sonar, and I've started getting into it last year and I've been using it more this year, especially for targeting small mouth Like that's. That's the thing now. A lot of the guys that are competing. If you don't understand forward facing sonar, you're at a disadvantage. Is that as important? In saltwater, are people using forward-facing sonar?
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Oh yeah, they're using it and I don't use it, but I also don't fish for the species as much that you get the huge benefits out of it. So from my perspective, a quote-unquote fish finder is not for finding fish. I use it almost entirely just to find structure and based on what I know about the fish that I'm targeting and that species and the you know, reading the currents around there, knowing the tides and the wind I can determine that the fish is most likely in this spot. So all I need to do is find that kind of structure and I'll fish that structure whether I see something or not. Now then you look at somebody again. Let's go to Paul, who's fishing for sheep's head. So sheep's head are going to be right up against structure really tight. Let's say it's a, a bridge piling. You can be damn sure that Paul has a forward facing or people like Paul have forward facing sonars on there and live scopes and all this. You know whatever you want to call these things, and they're looking for the individual fish before they fish that that piling, because otherwise you're going to spend 25 minutes to a half an hour fishing a bridge piling that has no fish and there's there's no way to tell. So I think, from that standpoint, if you're a sheep's head fishing, as an example, yeah. If you're tog fishing, no, because they're hiding not all the time, but quite often they're coming out of the structure, so you're not going to necessarily see them anyway. They're inside something or between rocks. Fluke, they won't show up. They're on the bottom.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Striped bass I don't. I'll say this if you need it for striped bass, you need to go back to school and work on how to catch them, because you shouldn't need forward facing. For striped bass. Side side scan works fine, because all you need to do is find the school of bait fishing. You'll find the actual fish with it. So that's my take on salt water. But, man, I'll tell you what I've watched some people online freshwater. It is amazing. It is amazing what they're doing with it and the. You know these guys, sheepshead fishing. You know they're. I mean they're. They're saving so much time, so much energy, you know so.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I can see why it's unfair to some people for tournaments.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, and I mean, I don't think the folks that and I'm okay with tournaments, banning it, Like if they're going to do a tournament with no forward-facing sonar or limited electronics or you know, for kayaking, some of them don't allow motors, which is Right, which is right, you know, makes sense if someone wants to compete that way. But people that think it's just like oh, you got forward-facing sonar, now you catch fish because you can't fit, because you don't know how to fish.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:it's silly like no, for the most part, I don't buy that. Yeah, I don't buy that. I mean, look, you can sit on any boat, any charter boat, and go out with a whole bunch of people and nine times out of 10, the best fisherman right next to you is going to catch exponentially more fish than you because they know how to fish and they know how to work the lure and everything. Just because something's there doesn't mean you're going to get it and you know. Ultimately, what it comes down to is.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:For me, my favorite part is finding the fish and getting that hook up. For some people it's reeling it in and everything, but for me it's finding it and then fooling it into biting something that it should never want to bite. You know so artificial and there's just such a difference in skill there. I mean, even for some of these bottom fishermen you know they're, they're pulling up tog, they're catching them on bait they're doing little things different than the person next to them. So I I I've never bought the cheat code thing. It's definitely a time saver, but you put somebody who's not really good at fishing for bass next to somebody and give them a live scope and then you put them next to a pro, the pro. He's not even going to flinch, he's going to bail fish all day and you know the novice isn't going to catch anything, even though he can see exactly what he's targeting.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, yeah, man. I mean, if it was the case, these pros on the Elite Series like Bassmaster, that are complaining about forward-facing sonar, they'd be catching fish left and right. But a lot of people don't want to learn the technology or they're just stubborn. I mean, as you get older you get more stubborn and I'm starting to realize that.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, yeah. The other thing that also kind of factors into that line of thinking is not just the sonar but the spot lock. So for saltwater that became big because there is an art to anchoring over structure offshore. So it's not like you're just dropping a single anchor, you're on two hooks. So you're setting out two anchors and you're positioning the boat with the current and the wind so that you are directly over top of the wreck that you want to fish. That takes a lot of skill, a lot of time and a lot of experience to do it right. And now you got these credit card captains coming out with spot lock and they just fly out, they hit the number and they just hit lock and they're stuck on this spot which you know. I get it. The captain that you know has been going out there for 30 years, not only found the spot on their own, but they know how to to work the hooks to get over top of it.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Now it doesn't, it doesn't even matter people just come right up next to you and spot lock on your same spot.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:So yeah, yeah, it's like an irrelevant skill at this point because and I have spot lock on my kayak. It is nice it is.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, I don't, you know, I don't. I don't begrudge anyone for using it, I don't, it's just I. But I can see why the, the, uh, the old school captains are upset. That to me, that to me, is more of a cheat code than the, the, the different types of new sonars that people have, because, again, certain types of fish, like a tog, it's going to be in that structure and half of the battle used to be getting over that structure so you could get your line into it vertically. Now anybody can do that. So it definitely changed the game there. But I don't know, man, do you think that this is kind of off topic? But is it just me or is there so much drama about all this crap and fishing? It's like I feel like it's a bunch of little teenage kids complaining. You know, it's like you did this, you did that you showed that you.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:There's just so much of that in fishing.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Now it's like you did this, you did that you showed that you there's just so much of that in fishing now it's crazy I think it points to a bigger issue of people just want to argue about everything dude in fish.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I think it just it bleeds into fishing because that's what we're passionate about and we, you know we partake in the most. But I mean people, people just want to argue and debate, and I'm not about that. Like I'll debate somebody about something if I'm passionate enough about that, but for the most part people just they listen to respond. They don't listen to understand. So once you got someone like that, why are you wasting your breath?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, I agree, I've had those discussions about the LiveScope and everything else and people are also passionate about Alabama rigs and using more than two hooks and some people get really pissed off about it, which you know. Whatever Get mad about it, but I'm not going to sit there and argue with someone about something silly.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I try not to. There are certain things that I do feel very strongly about. There are certain things that I do feel very strongly about, you know, there are certain conservation things. I try not to argue, though, but it's just. It's really Eye opening to watch like a 60 year old dude gets so bent out of shape over the dumbest things and then but. But then what makes it worse is they don't even realize they're being trolled 90% of the time.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:And somebody posted something just to piss you off Stripe bass. It's every year people get bored because they're off the water in the late fall, you know, because they're off the water in the late fall, you know. So they'll post a picture from like 1986, when it was legal to keep every size fish there is and as many as you wanted. And they're going to have this grainy photo that was obviously scanned from like a Kodak camera and it's like a dock filled with like 30 dead stripers and they just post it and they're like caught it at hop to kong in new york and and everyone jumps on it that's not legal.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:You're an asshole. It's like dude, come on first of all the guy's the guy's 22 based on his profile. He wasn't around when the kodak cameras even existed and yeah, then they just sit back and watch everyone get upset.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Well, it's worse now with AI, because and I love AI For professionally or for whatever learn to use AI, because if you don't, you will be at a disadvantage. But my dad watches a lot of YouTube and my dad's about to be 75. He has a hard time, though, discerning what's AI and what's not he. He has a hard time, though, discerning what's ai and what's not, so, whether it's video or voice or pictures, he's usually asking me he'll be like jay, is this, is this ai? And I have to tell him like and most of the time, like we have we're. If you mess around with it enough, you get an eye pretty easy to pick up what when it is, but, like a lot of those older guys, just don't.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:But like a lot of those older guys just don't.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:No, you know.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:My mother-in-law falls for AI. Every she keeps reposting things. It's like it's not real. It's not real. My daughter called me. She's like, oh, she did it. I'm like it's fine, it's fine, but you know reposting all this stuff, the whole thing lately, like you'd think every sports person has a say on everything, and they're all fake quotes out there and fake videos and you think Joe Rogan introduces every single topic for everybody on YouTube. The guy must be the busiest guy in the world. It's just AI and and and all that other stuff going. But, yeah, I do agree, I use AI every day at work. Yeah, just can't, just can't get away from it. You better use it. But it's crazy, man, it's crazy some of the stuff out there, but you get to see it a lot because you're a social media fisherman.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, right, like you share everything For the most part, and I'm able to use a lot of the AI stuff when I'm creating content which is cool, and not necessarily to create my videos, but to prepare for my videos. I use AI just to help me prepare for my scripts, just so I have a little bit more of an automated workflow, things like that and content creation. And one thing I found is that a lot of guys that fish. They want to start a youtube channel, which I'm all for it.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I started it almost right away and, uh, it didn't, it didn't go crazy right away, but if you stick with anything consistently, you'll get better at it. So I like I like to help guys like kind of build up some of those skills, whether it's video editing or even just like, hey, picking out the right GoPro and recording yourself, because you build a lot of real world talent and abilities through doing something like a YouTube channel. I mean because you're learning marketing. You're learning how to present well and speak better. You're learning how to write and how to hook people into a story Because it's all storytelling in a way and how well you can keep someone engaged.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:The best channels are, and that's, I think, why mine isn't bigger. I'm not the greatest at storytelling, but that's literally what it comes down to. You got to be able to tell the story in a compelling way, and I've read the books. I'm just not as good at executing, but I'll tell you what AI can do it, oh yeah. So I'll say write this in this voice, referencing all the information from this book, and give me a script and it'll do it. You know, which is helpful for some of the videos I do for work. You know most of mine are just kind of off the cuff now, but, yeah, you learn a lot of skills and I used to help people, you know, to get started with their youtube channels, and a couple of them are bigger than mine. Not that I have a large channel, but I, I, I love when people want to start them and, yeah, they call me and ask to help them out yeah, I mean there's never a bad time to do it.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I mean it's just like a lot of people default to like, oh, there's a lot of competition, like why am I going to do it? It's like, yeah, there's always a, there's always competition. But yeah, most people will bail before they make it to through five or six videos. And even if you decide you do five or six videos and you say, hey, this isn't for me and you bail, then whatever, you learn something in those five or six videos. But you know, a lot of times people gravitate to a creator or a style of creator because it resonates with the who they are, in their personality yeah and there's room for everybody you said the thing that I think is the most important.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:At the beginning you're like, yeah, I was only getting 10 views, but I was like, wow, that's 10 people I don't know that are watching. I mean, that's, that's pretty cool. People are, are I? I? I heard people complaining before, so I used to work for salt strong and be like, oh, I'd only got this number of views. I'm like it's 20,000 people. Yeah, you're going to complain about 20. You just helped 20,000 people. Like, why are? Why is that an issue? You know it could be a thousand and all you need is to help a few and I I just never got that. I think people don't truly understand just how many people that is.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:So, yeah, well, especially when you're comparing yourself to other creators or other other channels, because I mean, yeah, you're not gonna start off getting 50 000 views on a video or whatever you know I. Then, yeah, I'd love to get 50 000 views on my video like that, but it just it doesn't happen and it's not overnight success, it's. It might look like it you know, but it's just, it's just consistency and sticking with it and you know. But, like you said, you pick up a lot of stuff doing that you do.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I mean, I can edit videos, I can edit audio, I can start a podcast, I can uh, I can. I can do a lot of things. I can script. I can use ai very well at this point because I I have used it. I understand seo. I understand hashtags when they work and when they don't.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I know how to do hooks you know, I know how to do outros, all of those things and those those do translate directly into business, which is always good, and it has helped me to help other people with the things that they're doing. Yeah, but let me ask you are you, are you? You said gopro a couple times. Do you use gopro?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:so I was I don't anymore, so I used it so I'm actually using insta 360 okay so I was using gopro for I don't know the last three, the last three years, and then I switched over. I was gonna make the jump to dji, just because they've been doing really good work with their mini, with their action cameras yeah but I started working with insta 360.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:They sent me some gear. You know what transparent transparency they get. They sent me gear for free, but it was not like I had to say anything specific. They just said, hey, check this out, make a, make some a review on it and give your honest thoughts. So I got started with the x5, which just came out a couple months ago, and it's that 360 camera that they have. Yeah, and and I probably within a week or so, I was like man, this is for me, like it's just the way that insta 360 made their app so intuitive. To editing a 360 camera is kind of mind-boggling, especially when you're coming from gopro, which I feel like it's the opposite of intuitive. They they drop the ball all the time on on making things streamlined, from their accessories to the way that their files work and edit and using their actual heads-up display and everything yeah so I mean it works and if people want to get started with gopro because there's so many in the market, you can get a good use cheap one.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, but for me, insta 360, as of the last several months, has been what I've been using, and also they have what they call the ace pro 2, which is their direct competitor to gopro. So it's a smaller action camera, so it's not 360 right.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:But now are they? Are they fully immersible waterproof?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:they. Yeah, so they are up to the one. I forgot which one is which, but one's up to 12 meters, the other one's up to 15 meters and then, if you put a special case on it, you can go deeper than that. Okay.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So I'm asking because I've been using DJI. I absolutely love DJI. I don't love the fact that they can essentially steal all your stuff and get into your devices because you have to have an account, so I don't like that. However, I was out recently, submerged one camera and it decided to blow up, so the lithium got. Somehow, water got in, it hit the lithium battery and it just went underwater. So it was pretty impressive. I was like what the hell is happening? It was on a, it was on a pole.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I was like, oh no I left it underwater until it did its thing. But yeah, so the salt water hit it. So now I'm in the market to look for a couple of new cameras and I'm not going back to gopro. I just don't think quality and the reliability is there no I don't like having cameras overheat in 25 degree weather, which happens all the time with them, and they just shut off randomly, or they actually you know what? Have you ever had this? They don't shut off, they're still on, but the battery's dead yeah, yeah, and it's.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:They'll glitch, they'll freeze up. I mean I've I don't want to sound like ungrateful, like I went very far and I started my channel. The first two years I shot everything on my GoPro. So I mean I'm grateful for that, but at the same time, like it's not the best option anymore.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Right, especially at the cost.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah, yeah, because it's not that far off. I mean, for their new Hero 13 is like $370. The Insta360's version of the Ace Pro 2 is 399. And I don't know what DJI sits at, but it's right in that window there. So they do the apps better, dji too. I mean, the apps are just very fluid and there's not a whole lot of freezing and all that stuff.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:So, yeah, I'm going gonna have to try out those. I gotta find a new camera at some point. I I do still record my stuff. I just haven't edited any videos lately, all right, so we're getting up against it here, so we're gonna have to go. But there is a question that james flynn is asking and I wanted to throw it up there because I am interested in this as well. So what's? Your must watch fishing channel that you would recommend to people outside of your own.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:All right, so my, so my, favorite channels are you mentioned Christine Fisher. I like Christine Fisher. She does. She does a really good job storytelling and she's just a beast when it comes to catching bass and musky. So Christine Fisher is probably my first one. Greg Blanchard is really great too. He fishes a lot in the Delta in California, but he's from upstate New York so he fishes the Finger Lakes quite a bit, so Greg Blanchard is another one that I like to watch.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Okay, all right, so James add those. I'm going to add those. Oh well, I already have Christine, all right, so James add those.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:I'm going to add those. Oh well, I already have Christine, I do not have the other.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Yeah, and if you, if, uh so, and my buddy from Michigan his is the outdoor conquest. He does a lot of musky fishing videos. They bought boats and everything just for muskie and they'll go weeks of fishing and not even never seeing one. But it doesn't change how excited they are to go out and float down that river again, like the next weekend. So I get it, I get it, but, like I said, I'm also well over my 10,000 casts and I've never even seen one. The only one that I ever hooked was by accident when I was a teenager and I was bass fishing and it was on for about three seconds, that was it. It was down in the where the Perky I tell everyone exactly where it is, where the Perky, omen Creek and Oaks comes out, near a dam it was right there and yeah, it was also 25, 30 years, probably 30 years ago at this point, and I get it, I get it.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:But yeah, it's, it's the allure of the that fish, you know. So we have a couple spots here. There's in pennsylvania, there's leaser lake and neutropoli. It's a smaller, it's maybe 120 acres, but it's one of the few areas around here that stocks pretty well with muskies yeah and there's also one called kircher's creek, which is a very small lake I mean maybe 50 acres, and they have musky in there as well okay, so anyone who wants to go, let me know when you're going, maybe I'll uh, I'll meet you there, you know, yeah, for sure man yeah, so he's paul's asking this question here.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Have you tried bay casters like the corrado?
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:yeah so full speed.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:So I have the shimano slx dc. So it's the. The dc is the digital chip and it does. It does apply the braking to to prevent the birds nesting. So, that said, I have birds nested it before but it's been user error and it has on the slx. It has four settings on the side, one through four. So same way you would have the brakes that go one through 10 on the other side. Yeah, so it is a little bit harder to bird's nest it, so not impossible. But I think it's good for guys wanting to start off with something.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:All right, I could bird nest it, but maybe that's where I should go next time when I try something out.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:Yeah Well, at least you'll bird nest the $200 reel and not whatever.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Well, that's the thing. You made a good point. And if you're going to do it and you're going to give it a good go, get the good reel. Give yourself the best chance to be successful at it. If you hate it, sell the reel. Somebody will buy it for nearly what you bought it for. So you know what's the damage. You know? Yeah, yeah for sure. That's the way that we should look at it, I think, because look, look on Facebook. You're seeing a quality reel will sell in, you know, if it's only been used a couple times, for nearly what it's at new.
Jay - Bearded Dad Fishing:So yeah, and that's something you can practice. You can practice in the off season. You can practice in your yard, in your garage. You know, admitted, in the offseason you can practice in your yard in your garage. Admittedly, I have to do more of that because I need to get better at flipping and pitching, but there's guys that can really do some great stuff with them Now Burgenest.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:I'm looking forward to the winter. I have a field behind my house that I think I'm just going to go out and get that saltwater fly rod going again. I don't have enough room in my yard. I'll hit the fence, but I got to do it. But my neighbor is going to look at me like I'm weird, but I think it has to be done, yeah it has to be done so all right.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:Well, thanks for coming on. We got to stick to the hour here. Really appreciate it Everybody. If you're not following them, check them out online. Check out the kayak fishing dads group on Facebook. It is a great group. It really is.
Rich Natoli - Fat Dad Fishing:There's a lot of information in there and it's not just kayak fishing. So you're going to pick up information, whether it's kayak fishing or regular fishing. So I recommend, go in there, check it out. I've been in there for years, uh, watching it, so, watching everything coming through there, and comment very occasionally because I just don't have the value to add, but I learn a lot, definitely and yeah, so we'll be back next week. Everyone will be announcing later in the week who the guest is still trying to shore up the last minute details on that and get the final confirmation, but it should be somebody that you all know and you have seen on this channel and other channels in the past and probably on TV. So, yeah, with that said everyone, thank you very much Till next time. Everyone, get out there, get on the water, get some tight lines.
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